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39. Education of docs and legislators.

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:42 AM

May 2014

As I said, I have to take pee tests to ensure that I'm consistently taking my medications and not selling them. I don't mind the pee tests but the rationale is nuts. I don't want to take opiates when I don't absolutely feel the need for that kind of pain relief.

And it horrifies me that any idiot would "worry" about addiction in a dying patient. There's a lot of that from what I hear anecdotally.

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The demonization of opiates is hurting people. [View all] cali May 2014 OP

Codeine Works for Lots burrowowl May 2014 #1

Sorry for your pain and your trouble in obtaining meds! MannyGoldstein May 2014 #2

thanks Manny. Actually, I don't have any trouble obtaining them cali May 2014 #4

When my general physician pulled out of the clinic truedelphi May 2014 #20

It should be criminal sorefeet May 2014 #100

I am so glad that both you and your sister were there for him. truedelphi May 2014 #127

I share your problem with the gluten, truedelphi. Enthusiast May 2014 #102

Typically, IMO, the US often punishes the majority on moralistic crusades with little thought to RKP5637 May 2014 #105

i get it MFM008 May 2014 #3

I'm more likely to become a steroid addict than an oxycodone addict cali May 2014 #6

Steroids are a godsend. NutmegYankee May 2014 #96

No one should have more than that. It causes liver damage. cali May 2014 #111

I didn't know it caused liver damage. NutmegYankee May 2014 #132

Blame the demonization of opiates? JJChambers May 2014 #5

because common sense should come into play here. People like me cali May 2014 #8

The problem is doctors can't see pain JJChambers May 2014 #12

actually, with CRPS they can kind of see pain cali May 2014 #19

any doctor that cant tell the diff should be fired. mopinko May 2014 #25

She might not be able to take NSAIDs. moriah May 2014 #30

Celebrex gave me terrible sorefeet May 2014 #94

They did remove celebrex from the market for a short time. Enthusiast May 2014 #104

Big Pharm lied about Celebrex. hunter May 2014 #120

All I know is it doesn't break me out in hives, and it works. moriah May 2014 #122

I can't take NSAIDs due to advanced kidney disease REP May 2014 #49

Absolutely....common sense needed. madfloridian May 2014 #24

Plus one a whole bunch. Enthusiast May 2014 #103

Anti-drug hysteria is the problem. Period. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #66

Yes, this. kcr May 2014 #114

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #136

Have You Considered Methadone Treatment? Corey_Baker08 May 2014 #7

I haven't. I prefer not to take anything with a longer half life. I take a low dosage cali May 2014 #9

Long-acting opiates actually help reduce tolerance and dependence likehlihood compared to ... moriah May 2014 #35

as tolerance and dependence aren't issues for me, fortunately, cali May 2014 #61

Methadone is a wonder drug for pain. COLGATE4 May 2014 #62

I took it for pain in the UK OwnedByCats May 2014 #128

When my dad was dying of cancer exboyfil May 2014 #10

I understand. Years ago, when my dad was dying and in a lot of pain cali May 2014 #13

There's an *element* of choice involved, certainly. But opiate addiction is an extremely powerful nomorenomore08 May 2014 #67

I ffeel really lucky that I don't like the emotional effect of it. cali May 2014 #72

Honestly, my heart goes out to anyone suffering with chronic pain. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #135

I don't know that fun. Opiates just make me feel gross, never euphoric... hunter May 2014 #123

Agreed. "More damage than good" is an understatement. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #134

Blame the overprescription of opiates in the US for that Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #11

Are you an RSD/CRPS specialist? cali May 2014 #16

Fentanyl had me thinking the cartoon characters in a commercial truedelphi May 2014 #21

But the number of people who actually need opiates for pain management... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #23

that's uncontestable, but what has that to do with my comment about common sense? cali May 2014 #26

You have no way of knowing that. Statistics are what they are....often meaningless. madfloridian May 2014 #27

No-one said anything about quotas. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #46

There's another way of looking at that stat about 5% of the population and 80% of the opioids. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #68

Informative post. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #82

And you're so sure of this how? kcr May 2014 #146

no, blame the hysteria over alleged over-prescripption of such drugs. no person with pain should TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #78

I've posted this before, but a family friend was undermedicated while dying of cancer. LeftyMom May 2014 #14

That's barbaric! How horrific for her. It's infuriating. of course you become catbyte May 2014 #33

physical therapy? mopinko May 2014 #34

that is a very infuriating and depressing story.(though cali May 2014 #47

i would generally agree mopinko May 2014 #52

She was poor and obese. LeftyMom May 2014 #48

Happened to my father when he was dying of bone cancer REP May 2014 #51

I'm sorry. Was that recently? LeftyMom May 2014 #54

It was 1994 REP May 2014 #119

That's barbaric. Laelth May 2014 #84

The whole war on drug use is out of control. Doctors are afraid to prescribe what patients need... madfloridian May 2014 #15

I'm so sorry about what your husband and you went through. cali May 2014 #17

Your post really moved me. People should not have to go through that when medicine is available. madfloridian May 2014 #18

thanks MF. No, I'm OK. I have been treated with respect and consideration cali May 2014 #22

+1. It's been this way for a long time. Hissyspit May 2014 #31

I remember when Nancy Reagan had school kids march in the Just Say No parades. madfloridian May 2014 #37

Amen, Cali. I have post-herpetic neuralgia after 8 bouts of catbyte May 2014 #28

My hubby never really recovered from his bout with shingles. madfloridian May 2014 #32

It's the two-pronged pain that really gets you. Your skin feels like it's on fire, catbyte May 2014 #43

I had them in the early 2000s. Had to go to ER with severe pain on a week-end. madfloridian May 2014 #60

it is a FACT mopinko May 2014 #29

+100000000 nashville_brook May 2014 #113

" it is a FACT... that people who have actual pain are not the ones who become addicted to opiates." Ghost in the Machine May 2014 #137

Thats not a fact at all. phleshdef May 2014 #139

then their doctors failed. mopinko May 2014 #144

cali, what do you see as a possible solution to the complex problems cbayer May 2014 #36

Education of docs and legislators. cali May 2014 #39

Agree about education of both groups. cbayer May 2014 #125

part of it is just giving more respect to pain as a problem in itself. mopinko May 2014 #115

I absolutely agree with you about the bad doctors. cbayer May 2014 #124

i dont know what to do about this one, either. mopinko May 2014 #126

A customer of mine is in a similar situation Egnever May 2014 #38

Thanks. I feel so fortunate about my medical care. I don't worry about cali May 2014 #40

the wages of 15 minute medicine. mopinko May 2014 #41

that's true. My doc has been my doc for over 20 years cali May 2014 #50

Codeine and oxycodone are the only two prescription painkillers LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #42

I have done just that. And I am familar with my new-to-be cali May 2014 #45

everyone has a right to live a life free of pain bossy22 May 2014 #44

word. if the gov't forces me to live in pain such that i can not function, then they can damn well p TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #79

+1. n/t Laelth May 2014 #89

It's no longer survival of the fitest grilled onions May 2014 #53

I'm so sorry. that sounds rough. cali May 2014 #56

Small fiber sensory neuropathy for me! I am allergic to most things they have tried. Dustlawyer May 2014 #55

Can't your doc send your prescription to you or your pharmacy in the mail? cali May 2014 #59

No, it is a schedule 1 which has to be done Dustlawyer May 2014 #129

I agree 100%. Fuddnik May 2014 #57

I agree!! opiate69 May 2014 #58

I say so what if its addictive. LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #63

I also have RSD, had it since an auto accident in 1998 DJ13 May 2014 #64

so sorry, dj. It's in my left leg and foot as well. cali May 2014 #69

Sure DJ13 May 2014 #75

Have you tried replacing or supplementing the opiates with kratom? Tom Ripley May 2014 #65

never even heard of it until now. Just looked it up. How interesting cali May 2014 #71

I...uh...uh...use...it...for mainly recreational purposes, but have seen many testimonials Tom Ripley May 2014 #73

I use Kratom for a variety of things OwnedByCats May 2014 #138

But there's MONEY, LOTS of MONEY, to be made off the phony, forever "War on Drugs." blkmusclmachine May 2014 #70

that's for sure. cali May 2014 #74

Sadly many have fucked it up for the few. JNelson6563 May 2014 #76

sorry, but as I point out upthread, it's incumbent on docs and legislators to use cali May 2014 #77

I put much of the responsibility on the doctors. JNelson6563 May 2014 #90

+1000000000 nashville_brook May 2014 #116

no, the government fucked it up for legitimate pain sufferers. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #80

Yes, they are typically reactionary. JNelson6563 May 2014 #88

Let's see the peer-reviewed research that supports your claim. HuckleB May 2014 #92

Wow just about sums it up, doesn't it? JNelson6563 May 2014 #93

I see you choose to ignore those who are in pain. HuckleB May 2014 #130

That is always the response kcr May 2014 #148

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #81

huh? what codespeak? what secrecy. I could hardly have been more detailed or plainspoken cali May 2014 #85

What a fucking troll OwnedByCats May 2014 #142

What a cruel and inhuman response. NutmegYankee May 2014 #98

It definitely was. I'm glad my fellow jurors felt the same way n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #107

+1 sadly, some people prefer the delusion that pain doesn't exist nashville_brook May 2014 #108

The referred pain is the worst. NutmegYankee May 2014 #133

I personally don't know what it's like davidpdx May 2014 #83

CRPS is widely recognized as the most painful of the chronic pain nerve conditions cali May 2014 #86

I don't ask him a lot since I'm his teacher and try not to overstep the bounds that relationshiip davidpdx May 2014 #87

Indeed. Recommended! HuckleB May 2014 #91

Two hemorrhaged cervical disks. NutmegYankee May 2014 #95

It's hard enough to buy Sudafed TBF May 2014 #97

Severe neuropathy from head to toe sorefeet May 2014 #99

I'm so sorry that you went through all that. cali May 2014 #109

K&R! Enthusiast May 2014 #101

I've got Trigeminal Neuralgia, so I kind of feel yr pain... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #106

me too, Violet! I'm an inveterate putterer and I've turned into a devoted craft type cali May 2014 #110

boy do i feel 'ya! nashville_brook May 2014 #112

"I'm literally paying for with my life." Perhaps literally... gvstn May 2014 #118

I, too, have TN.. kag May 2014 #117

Another horror story published yesterday n2doc May 2014 #121

I use opiates several times a day Prophet 451 May 2014 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #140

I'm very sorry for your pain. This is a complicated problem. phleshdef May 2014 #141

My father had severe arthritis in his hip OwnedByCats May 2014 #143

Morphine works for me. B Calm May 2014 #145

my wife has chronic pain due to an autoimmune disease. geek tragedy May 2014 #147