Now I have seen it all

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272. Actually, you did say what I said you said.

"I don't care if people want to disagree with them, hell that's their right, but I think some here have pushed it to far..."

So, I paraphrased just a bit, the essence is there. Pushing criticism too far.

"My point was that one group here complains because another group doesn't agree with their view on the world. "

Dude, that's what we all complain about! Everyone here has an opinion. Don't like mine, let me know, and I will do the same.

As for heroes, most of us have someone we look up to as having done good, or have good ideas showing the way forward ("heroes&quot . I submit yours is obama and you are doing the same thing with him that you are accusing other of doing with Greenwald. I think you don't see it in yourself. You think they don't see it in themselves. I will say that if someone accuses someone of being homophobic for not supporting Greenwald, I would hope it had been in a particular context, with some other evidence presented as to that persons homophobia. Otherwise, I also would consider that to be criticism gone too far. If your complaint is that obama's hands are tied, otherwise he would do better, and others don't see that, then we disagree. obama was essentially installed by the rich and is working for the rich.

As far as what a president can achieve, I submit this is where obama shows he is a used car salesman. The status quo is unacceptable. Every president can speak up in no uncertain terms and change the dialogue. Obama and his supporters continue peddling the same old paradigm: the two party system and the OBVIOUS support for the rich from both parties. If you don't see that, you don't see things as they are. Everything else is bones and crumbs. The role of obama and the democrats is to keep enough people, like you, entrenched in the old system, believing in the lie of good american government, the good democrats and the bad republicans.