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26. Interesting graph and completely misleading - of course

Mon May 26, 2014, 08:23 AM

May 2014

The graph attempts to compare apples with oranges by only considering homicides and not all gun deaths.

Actual total of gun deaths (not just homicides) was over [font size="5"]32,000[/font] in 2011. Source Gun Policy.org

Note that these figures have to be gathered by non-Governmental sources as the CDC has been refused funding to study gun deaths by a deliberate act of lobbying by - the NRA

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I can't talk about my hatred of guns and the NRA on Facebook [View all] Flying Squirrel May 2014 OP

+1,000 malaise May 2014 #1

IBTL yuiyoshida May 2014 #10

I've been advocating taking away guns SheilaT May 2014 #2

You're right. I live in Australia and gun crime . . . MrModerate May 2014 #9

So true... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #19

This provided a sad laugh: CrispyQ May 2014 #111

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #3

Except the OP isn't being censored. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #32

Not so far. :-| n/t DeSwiss May 2014 #38

He hasn't been abducted by 3-eyed marauders from the planet Zorgon, either. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #40

Yes, let's. DeSwiss May 2014 #42

It was locked because it was outside the discussion permissions of GD. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #45

You can use any name you like for it. DeSwiss May 2014 #48

I did, and you aren't. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #51

Hehehe, yeah right. DeSwiss May 2014 #52

Orwell was very pro-gun. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #86

He was indeed. DeSwiss May 2014 #88

Guns is just one of many topics that are verboten here, one cannot upset the delicate Exposethefrauds May 2014 #4

Wow... a Tom Tomorrow toon censored? Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #5

Yeah FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #16

The toon was posted 5 days before a massacre. If it still wasn't time to have the discussion, ... stone space May 2014 #30

We can pull this one out over & over again. CrispyQ May 2014 #115

+1 valerief May 2014 #130

not censored Duckhunter935 May 2014 #44

It was posted in the right forum FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #62

Right forum, wrong rule. nt valerief May 2014 #131

How is it the wrong rule? blueridge3210 May 2014 #140

Posts in these side discussion groups go there to die, until they are really needed and then a week; greiner3 May 2014 #149

... handmade34 May 2014 #6

Seems pretty misleading. Brady campaign is not the only ant-gun campaign. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #47

Most Republican types don't really want him saying he's GOP but they'll take his money. greiner3 May 2014 #150

Do you have a chart with Bloomberg ' s spending? hack89 May 2014 #53

so in 2012 the NRA spent less than 3 million Duckhunter935 May 2014 #57

It's so funny you put up some facts BrotherIvan May 2014 #92

Guns don't kill people. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #7

Try discussionist. JVS May 2014 #8

We can only assume that among the powers that be on DU, the majority must be Pro-gun. Trust Buster May 2014 #11

HA! Pro-gun "Powers that be?" Ask em. Go ahead. Eleanors38 May 2014 #85

I "lost" two lifelong "friends" on Facebook over a gun post wyldwolf May 2014 #12

indeed. it's the guns. nt xchrom May 2014 #13

That's right! bearssoapbox May 2014 #14

Not a frequent poster The Time is Now May 2014 #24

Thanks for the links. bearssoapbox May 2014 #35

No one is stopping the gathering of statistics on guns. former9thward May 2014 #71

So Bloomburg is the 'go to guy' on gun control for some trolls at DU; greiner3 May 2014 #151

Yes, you are saying I am a troll. former9thward May 2014 #154

Interesting graph and completely misleading - of course intaglio May 2014 #26

Yes it is misleading. bearssoapbox May 2014 #37

Thats OK Duckhunter935 May 2014 #43

But most of the other figures include non-homicides intaglio May 2014 #112

Suicides harm many people, not just the suicider. nt valerief May 2014 #132

If you look at the graphic and add the homicide and non-homicide gun deaths it shows 28,000 Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #46

The graph does not include non-homicide gun deaths intaglio May 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid May 2014 #34

Yes bearssoapbox May 2014 #39

Trying to talk sense to a real gun nut is a lost cause Pakid May 2014 #15

Yeah, you can. You decided not to... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #17

I'm for enacting reasonable gun laws. Enthusiast May 2014 #18

Honest question BrotherIvan May 2014 #94

Winning issues are only winning issues in certain restricted geographical areas. Enthusiast May 2014 #121

Northern Minnesota especially NE Minnesota is heavilly Democratic. Jenoch May 2014 #126

So these "responsible gun owners" BrotherIvan May 2014 #148

Huh" Jenoch May 2014 #153

Did you know there are two DU groups dedicated to guns? aikoaiko May 2014 #20

This is a big news issue FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #64

The tom tomorrow carton posted before the UCSB shooting. aikoaiko May 2014 #67

There was a big news issue that prompted the cartoon FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #68

There was no mention of Chipotle or other restaurants in the toon. aikoaiko May 2014 #72

were did it mention Duckhunter935 May 2014 #81

A little correction, IronGate May 2014 #142

You are aware that there are two gun discussion forums blueridge3210 May 2014 #21

. demmiblue May 2014 #22

Facebook sucks katmondoo May 2014 #23

When Tom Tomorrow toons are outlawed, only outlaws will have Tom Tomorrow toons. (nt) stone space May 2014 #25

The only way to stop a bad guy with a Tom Tomorrow cartoon klook May 2014 #31

There are several topics that are volatile and verboten like this. The shrill defense regarding GoneFishin May 2014 #27

until the 2nd amendment is changed guns will remain legal rdking647 May 2014 #28

Where does this militia part of the 2nd amendment come into play with gungeoneers? valerief May 2014 #135

I fail to see.. Inkfreak May 2014 #29

anti-gun posts are on GD all the time Duckhunter935 May 2014 #33

Is the fact. sendero May 2014 #36

of course the forget that Duckhunter935 May 2014 #41

Doesn't fit the narrative... Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #54

Correction: The Narrative�. Eleanors38 May 2014 #87

Yeah, but he also had his gun to subdue them as he slit their throats. But why post the facts? Hoyt May 2014 #84

You get support mstinamotorcity2 May 2014 #49

Who knew all these people could be so easily influenced to buy guns just by a maketing campaign? greatlaurel May 2014 #50

you know sensible gun regulations Duckhunter935 May 2014 #59

The last thing we rural folks need is for the gun culture to get suppressors. greatlaurel May 2014 #103

you do know that suppressors Duckhunter935 May 2014 #113

It's really easy to sign up for hosting. rrneck May 2014 #55

thank you Duckhunter935 May 2014 #60

You're welcome. rrneck May 2014 #66

Have you considered not being so timid? No one silenced you on FB except you. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #56

It is amazing what us firearms owners are called on Duckhunter935 May 2014 #61

And if you respond in kind as a demonstration of their incivility you get posts hidden. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #63

that's why I stay very polite Duckhunter935 May 2014 #145

Who said you couldn't? pipi_k May 2014 #58

It's kind of ironic that the pro-RKBA side is offering advice on how to continue his side. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #65

It's not speech that people want to silence, at least not at the root DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #69

I'm pro-RKBA for reasons of personal self-defense but you make a very good argument for Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #70

Are you having fun? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #74

"Your fear is fucking this country up something awful." Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #75

Love it or leave it? You fucking wish. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #77

It was not a "love it or leave it" statement. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #79

they do get angry, do they not Duckhunter935 May 2014 #82

Thanks for making Unicorn's point. Perfect. Eleanors38 May 2014 #89

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #93

Do you want "us" in our own group, never to venture out? Eleanors38 May 2014 #105

See above. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #106

Yours for censorship! Eleanors38 May 2014 #107

+10000000 savalez May 2014 #99

Not sure pipi_k May 2014 #73

It's the availability. Out of sight. Out of mind. Lint Head May 2014 #76

Rec'd for "It's the guns, stupid." Iggo May 2014 #78

+1 SunSeeker May 2014 #147

I'll be straight. Gun love is a dangerous mental illness. hunter May 2014 #80

When you wonder why the gun control movement is a smoking wreck in America hack89 May 2014 #90

I do what I can to control guns in my own community. hunter May 2014 #98

Most gun owners are responsible hack89 May 2014 #100

I'd have thought you'd enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow gun owners... hunter May 2014 #102

I have been doing exactly that every weekend for years hack89 May 2014 #104

Then you are not going have any problem being part of a well-regulated militia. hunter May 2014 #109

Yes, but a proposal grounded in American political and cultural reality hack89 May 2014 #116

Dicrimination against gay people, not allowing them to marry, for example... hunter May 2014 #117

And along came Windsor which changed everything. hack89 May 2014 #118

I'm ahead of my time, right? hunter May 2014 #122

Yes - and like civil rights, abortion and gay marriage hack89 May 2014 #123

No wonder the profession of psychology suffers a bad rep. Eleanors38 May 2014 #91

+1 valerief May 2014 #136

Why was this thread locked? I don't get it. kairos12 May 2014 #83

The TOS, I guess. Sometimes it's enforced. Eleanors38 May 2014 #96

A little less "hate" in your OP title might help your cause. Eleanors38 May 2014 #95

Thanks for the post locks May 2014 #97

Yep, the guns are 98% of the problem, and we are now just being murdered, daily by NRA randys1 May 2014 #101

Discussing real matters on Facebook is... IkeRepublican May 2014 #108

+1 CrispyQ May 2014 #110

Pro-gun liberals and responsible gun owning conservatives need to get together and active Voice for Peace May 2014 #119

The SOP for GD restricts discussion of guns unless it is "big news" albino65 May 2014 #120

Most gun threads in GD survive, "big news" or not. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #124

Crazy.... lupine25 May 2014 #125

It's not so much like that on Discussionist, which is ballyhoo May 2014 #127

Like the Brady Campaign, Million Moms and Dads. HockeyMom May 2014 #128

"Can't"? You can but chose not to. It is disingenuous to claim you are prohibited from doing Taitertots May 2014 #129

You are the one who is being disingenuous. Flying Squirrel May 2014 #133

You can but chose not to. "Could not" and "Can't" implies prohibition Taitertots May 2014 #137

With regards to Facebook blueridge3210 May 2014 #138

Well said. greatlaurel May 2014 #143

And if you talk about it here at the "Underground," the NRA thought-bots dutifully swarm the thread villager May 2014 #134

It is a very touchy issue maindawg May 2014 #139

I don't agree about banning guns (if that's what you advocate) but I respect and gladly entertain aint_no_life_nowhere May 2014 #141

Can't blame you, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #144

"...while people can post stuff about their pets in GD all day long." Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #146

I am just about ready to go around snatching peoples guns out of their cold dead hands. bravenak May 2014 #152

Time for bed. pablo_marmol May 2014 #155