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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 10:17 AM May 2014

My family is not "shielding" a dangerous person and I will not tolerate those who imply otherwise [View all]

I said I was going to log out of this site last night and I did, but this morning I woke up and had the really bad idea to log back in and found a post which implies that my family may be shielding a dangerous person from authorities.

Here is what was said to me...

Attitudes like your failing to admit that many mentally ill people do pose a problem and danger to society in many cases are equally just as much a problem. And if your family has been shielding your brother from the system in any way, not allowing authorities a full and accurate picture of his mental state, you are part of the problem even if your intent it well meaning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5000829

I don't care if the person used an "if" statement, implying that my family may be shielding a dangerous person from authorities based solely on the fact that I have a brother with schizophrenia is not something that I should have to tolerate on this site or anywhere else.

Let me be clear: my brother is not a dangerous person and he has not been shielded from authorities. I should not even have to say this because there was never anything I posted which suggests he is a dangerous person, schizophrenia does not automatically make a person dangerous.

The jury let that post attacking my family stand with a 7-0 vote which means not only does the direct attack on my family remain but I am unable to alert on the person's follow up post which says "reality can be harsh" when I attempt to stand up for my family.

Maybe this will get locked as meta, but I feel that when implications are made to suggest my family is shielding a violent person I should be able to do whatever I need to do to defend my family. Because the jury decided 7-0 that attacks on my family are acceptable as long as they include "if" statement I am left with no defense against those who imply my family just might be shielding a dangerous person.

If anyone is still wondering why I don't feel welcome at this site right now the fact that a jury let a post stand which implies my family may be shielding a dangerous person with a 7-0 vote and took away my ability to defend my family against such attacks for the next 24 hours should tell you something.

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My family is not "shielding" a dangerous person and I will not tolerate those who imply otherwise [View all] Bjorn Against May 2014 OP

I am going to be advocating for you that this not get locked. Jefferson23 May 2014 #1

Why make the Elliot case about guns and NRA? JJChambers May 2014 #3

Because it is about the NRA and their pathetic agenda, thats why. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #4

You're wasting an opportunity to address mental health JJChambers May 2014 #7

BULLSHIT. The fucking knife does not change anything. We own the gun culture in our society. Jefferson23 May 2014 #18

Do you think people like Rodgers should be able to legally buy guns? pnwmom May 2014 #123

I know from the responses to the OP there are clueless people here who have no idea what Jefferson23 May 2014 #126

I think people suffering from psychotic illnesses should, at least, pnwmom May 2014 #134

They are but that is not what this OP is about. I may be wrong but I have the impression Jefferson23 May 2014 #135

They are not. Not in situations like this. pnwmom May 2014 #136

Because we know everything about when and how he bought the guns? Jefferson23 May 2014 #145

I believe that poster #7 does believe people like Rodgers Crunchy Frog May 2014 #133

I do not think the mental health issue should be the factor for gun sales. The treatment meds should Sunlei May 2014 #172

why is it one or the other? It's obviously both. There will always be mentally ill. Voice for Peace May 2014 #77

+1000000 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #93

God, yes, exactly what you've said! laundry_queen May 2014 #116

It's all about the NRA and its steadfast insistence that we have kestrel91316 May 2014 #78

Can't repeat it often enough, frankly. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #95

I have a serious question: etherealtruth May 2014 #164

Were you his therapist? Jamastiene May 2014 #157

Yes JJChambers May 2014 #160

He was living independently and good enough at hiding what he was up to elehhhhna May 2014 #38

Why not make this about our violent culture? One does not have to use a specific weapon or have a jwirr May 2014 #55

Because we love our violent culture and do not want to part with it. zeemike May 2014 #63

Then why is the murder rate half of what it was 20 years ago? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #97

Legal abortion and baby boomers getting old n/t eridani May 2014 #142

Also taking the lead out of paint and gasoline. The graphs on that are really striking. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #144

Come to think of it, I have a vague memory of that eridani May 2014 #166

Here's the Mother Jones article with the graphs I was talking about: nomorenomore08 May 2014 #170

I seem to recall something about Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #151

this, exactly. +1T magical thyme May 2014 #65

somebody in another thread suggested the influence of Hunger Games characters on this boy Voice for Peace May 2014 #83

He was already into fascism and had already talked about Jamastiene May 2014 #159

The parents onecaliberal May 2014 #82

Mental illness does not cause violence. phil89 May 2014 #85

Stop being an apologist for the damn IRA! HERVEPA May 2014 #109

Unless you were the guy's therapist, don't make claims about Jamastiene May 2014 #158

After reading your responses to others in your previous OP that you were locked out of... prefunk May 2014 #2

I will not be open to any POV which suggests my family may be shielding a dangerous person Bjorn Against May 2014 #5

*Sigh* prefunk May 2014 #6

+10000000000. nt. polly7 May 2014 #8

I've noticed you seem very defensive JJChambers May 2014 #10

Of course I am defensive, people are attacking my family Bjorn Against May 2014 #11

That's your perception, however flawed it may be JJChambers May 2014 #19

it is what you have posted, to involuntarily commit people with mental illness if they fit a vague uppityperson May 2014 #69

Involuntary commitments are not easy. It must be proven, suspicions don't count. freshwest May 2014 #140

Look, I am the daughter of a man who Skidmore May 2014 #74

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 May 2014 #81

Reagan is at fault yeoman6987 May 2014 #176

The post was targeting families like mine. I didn't feel attacked because the post was accurate in blm May 2014 #16

+1 treestar May 2014 #25

How dare you. He is under no obligation to be open to kestrel91316 May 2014 #80

I personally have to work against making rhetorical "you" statements. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #9

Elliot Rodgers' family DID notify authorities about his tblue37 May 2014 #52

There *are* procedures for involuntary commitment, which his family could have done. moriah May 2014 #90

It's the internet, man LittleBlue May 2014 #12

I can put him on ignore but the attack on my family will still be there for all to see. Bjorn Against May 2014 #15

He doesn't know your family and neither does anyone else here LittleBlue May 2014 #17

It will be apparent to those who understand. Put him on ignore because you will not change his mind uppityperson May 2014 #70

Thank you, Bjorn Against. hunter May 2014 #13

... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #101

I have a schizophrenic sister who HAS BEEN A DANGER to us and others. That post was accurate in blm May 2014 #14

I had a schizophenic brother-in-law, RebelOne May 2014 #56

When she was a danger to us, we figured we'd handle it - when it turned to children and strangers it blm May 2014 #87

One of my aunts was schizophrenic abelenkpe May 2014 #66

Schizophrenia has its degrees. No one is saying everyone is the same. That was never said. blm May 2014 #88

The majority are *not* dangerous, except perhaps to themselves. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #102

I made that post, and it wasn't an attack on you Lee-Lee May 2014 #20

If you delete your posts about my family I will delete my posts about you Bjorn Against May 2014 #22

Once again Lee-Lee May 2014 #26

Your observations are not valid, you had no reason to suggest my family is shielding my brother Bjorn Against May 2014 #29

My observations certainly are valid Lee-Lee May 2014 #36

No your observations are not valid, you know nothing about my family Bjorn Against May 2014 #45

I give up, you can't grasp what I am saying Lee-Lee May 2014 #47

Here is what you said... Bjorn Against May 2014 #49

And I never claimed they were doing it Lee-Lee May 2014 #51

I don't care if you use an "if", you have no business even suggesting my family might do that Bjorn Against May 2014 #53

This whole thread seems to boil down to ... oldhippie May 2014 #94

This is my family we are talking about, don't tell me to give up Bjorn Against May 2014 #96

Carry on ... oldhippie May 2014 #98

Those who promote fear and hatred of the mentally ill make themselves look worse. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #103

You should reconsider your position, it is inaccurate to rely heavily on IF... Jefferson23 May 2014 #153

Cheap shot, once again. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #33

I think when simple laymen start using terms like Wash. state Desk Jet May 2014 #58

I know a lot about the laws and how the system works Lee-Lee May 2014 #61

Than you have some knowledge of how the system works. Wash. state Desk Jet May 2014 #64

Thank you! n/t etherealtruth May 2014 #75

+2 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #104

simply using the word "if" ... implies something needs looking into Leme May 2014 #147

lets get real here, by your standard nobody, anywhere can question anything for fear of offending Lee-Lee May 2014 #150

you get real, please Leme May 2014 #167

He didn't question YOUR family any more than he questioned MINE and his post described EXACTLY what blm May 2014 #89

No, he specifically referred to my family. Bjorn Against May 2014 #92

The word IF is a qualifier. Reading it anyway else is your choice. blm May 2014 #99

well, If is an assault word at times Leme May 2014 #148

It can be, but, it wasn't in this case. The poster was far more accurate than people blm May 2014 #155

it doesn not apply to Bjorn or his family Leme May 2014 #168

Move on. Some people 'get' what they want to get and 'don't get' what they don't want to get. blm May 2014 #171

Are you saying Bjorn and his family live in fear ? Leme May 2014 #173

I said no such thing. I've clearly said NOT ALL. You are clearly refusing to comprehend even simple blm May 2014 #175

I agree with you. They have no right to say the things they've said about your brother. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #105

yep Leme May 2014 #149

Are you a trained psychologist/psychiatrist? fried eggs May 2014 #21

No, I am a family member. Why do I need to be a trained psychologist? Bjorn Against May 2014 #23

This is not about you treestar May 2014 #24

Yes I care about other people, including my brother who poses no threat to society. Bjorn Against May 2014 #27

If your brother takes his meds and isnt a threat to society JJChambers May 2014 #30

How many threads have you been talking about mental illness in? Bjorn Against May 2014 #32

You're bringing your family into this JJChambers May 2014 #35

Because I know damn well that some people wrongly view people like him as dangerous Bjorn Against May 2014 #42

And THIS is the place you think you can convince others that you are right? cleanhippie May 2014 #46

I may not be able to convince them, but that doesn't mean they should go unchallenged. Bjorn Against May 2014 #48

What do you hope to accomplish here? cleanhippie May 2014 #72

Because of the implication that mentally ill people *as a group* should be assumed dangerous. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #106

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2014 #161

+1 Union Scribe May 2014 #43

It is certainly about the posters family member, read the response they received. Jefferson23 May 2014 #31

What a horrible thing to say. Shame on you. kestrel91316 May 2014 #84

sorry but schizophrenia ups the potential for violence 15 gazillion percent. alphafemale May 2014 #28

It ups it from 2% incidence to 8% incidence. Do your research. DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #57

Clearly, substance abuse is a large "predictor" across board etherealtruth May 2014 #60

If you truly believe that, you are saying all people with schizophrenia are violent and dangerous to uppityperson May 2014 #71

You're forgetting blunt objects, they're dangerous too. moriah May 2014 #91

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2014 #163

Actually, it's closer to 28 teraparsecsual brazillion. Sheesh. Eleanors38 May 2014 #130

Again with the witch hunt and pulling false statistics out of your asses. Jamastiene May 2014 #162

YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE NOT HARBORING A DANGEROUS PERSON etherealtruth May 2014 #34

Yes and those claiming otherwise are poorly informed, unfortunately. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #37

Exactly, thanks for understanding Bjorn Against May 2014 #39

Do not let the ignorant or those with an "agenda" get to you etherealtruth May 2014 #41

Exactly. It wouldn't hurt to ban assault rifles though. deafskeptic May 2014 #40

I hate guns period etherealtruth May 2014 #44

I like the way you put that. hunter May 2014 #67

+10000000 Jamastiene May 2014 #165

It's that poster's opinion... Helen Borg May 2014 #50

I know a lot of people out there who are schizophrenic and not only not dangerous but actually DesertDiamond May 2014 #54

Totally off topic and not about your point because I agree with it, but... Neoma May 2014 #79

+10000000 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #107

Forget it Jake, it's the internet. nt TeamPooka May 2014 #59

My dear Bjorn davidthegnome May 2014 #62

I am glad you opted to post your story etherealtruth May 2014 #73

I wonder what this is about. nt arely staircase May 2014 #68

OP made an alert and got denied, so now it begets a new thread. JVS May 2014 #86

My mom was schizophrenic and she was NEVER a danger to anyone kestrel91316 May 2014 #76

We blame easy targets while ignoring those who are truly dangerous. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #108

Is your brother mentally unfit to own firearms? Can your brother legally buy firearms? Taitertots May 2014 #100

My brother has no desire to own firearms whatsoever Bjorn Against May 2014 #110

You didn't answer any of the relevant questions Taitertots May 2014 #111

I should not have to treat my brother as a dangerous person when he is not dangerous Bjorn Against May 2014 #112

He is mentally unfit and you have not taken necessary steps to prevent firearms purchases Taitertots May 2014 #113

Don't attack my family Bjorn Against May 2014 #114

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #115

Take the necessary steps to prevent NRA nut jobs from getting guns Bjorn Against May 2014 #117

He is mentally unfit, he can buy firearms, and you don't prevent it Taitertots May 2014 #118

You don't know jack shit about my family so don't you dare tell me what we have not done Bjorn Against May 2014 #119

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #120

I never said he could buy firearms Bjorn Against May 2014 #121

You complain that people "know JACK SHIT", but even you don't know Taitertots May 2014 #122

I know a hell of a lot more than you do Bjorn Against May 2014 #125

How do you determine who is "mentally unfit"? Pass a psych exam? By IQ? How do you know who uppityperson May 2014 #154

I have a mental illness and I can get a hold of a gun. Neoma May 2014 #124

He's baiting you. Crunchy Frog May 2014 #138

I think you've got a little bit of a projection thing going on. Crunchy Frog May 2014 #137

I'm getting that kind of shit now liberalhistorian May 2014 #127

Exactly, those who advocate incarcaration would sweep up lots of innocent people Bjorn Against May 2014 #128

And the craziest thing is Crunchy Frog May 2014 #139

This is messed up. bravenak May 2014 #129

You are not a jerk bravenak, you have been nothing but supportive Bjorn Against May 2014 #131

It's just gun humpers trying to deflect attention away from their precious toys Crunchy Frog May 2014 #132

The nra wants a national data base of the mentally ill gwheezie May 2014 #141

Great post. LeftOfWest May 2014 #143

Yes, and thank you. n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #146

You should make your own thread out of that. n/t Crunchy Frog May 2014 #174

Failure to Obey 4Q2u2 May 2014 #152

I haven't even looked to see who said that to you, but Jamastiene May 2014 #156

yeah Leme May 2014 #169