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Hawkowl

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Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:21 PM

Mar 2012

This is precisely what has disturbed me. It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with a large percentage of people anymore. Everyone "feels" or "believes" things to be true. No one "thinks" or "proves" their position anymore. If you ask anyone a few logical questions that shows their position to be in error, you simply get a shrug in response with a "that's how I feel" or "that's my opinion". You can't argue with feelings.

This faith based system of analysis and decision making is disastrous for our society. We as a democracy, will no longer be able to make logical decisions about, law, science, health, or economics. However, the rest of the world will. So the USA will be relegated to third world status. I do not see this turning around in the 30 or so years I have left on this planet.

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We're really swimming in it now. [View all] bigtree Mar 2012 OP

What a well thought out piece. Thank you. russspeakeasy Mar 2012 #1

There has been some misrepresentation of the facts, however: olegramps Apr 2012 #134

great post, Bigtree riverwalker Mar 2012 #2

+ rtassi Apr 2012 #146

Sorry you have to work with people like that! SamG Mar 2012 #3

K & R, nt Royal Sloan 09 Mar 2012 #4

Faith-Based Everything ChicagoRonin Mar 2012 #5

+1000 Hawkowl Mar 2012 #59

You have hit it right on the head. lisby Mar 2012 #61

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2012 #92

"It is impossible to have an intelligent discussion with a large percentage of people anymore." KansDem Apr 2012 #97

agreed n/t Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #110

You have a very clear vision of what is and will be. jaysunb Mar 2012 #79

I agree to a point - it will only get worse and show the true colors here more and more lunasun Apr 2012 #102

You nailed it my friend CanonRay Apr 2012 #94

If true Justice is served truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #128

Who is rational? Who is reasonable and fair? hfojvt Mar 2012 #6

I find your post to be part of the problem. /nt yardwork Mar 2012 #9

I think it's pretty clear what my opinion is on those bigtree Mar 2012 #10

well my own mother, who knows me about as well as anybody hfojvt Mar 2012 #17

I'll say this bigtree Mar 2012 #19

hmm... chervilant Apr 2012 #99

well this may seem argumentative hfojvt Apr 2012 #108

Of course, the difference between Trayvon's and those other homicides stranger81 Apr 2012 #143

actually no, not always hfojvt Apr 2012 #147

Media driven tragedy... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #27

that phrase hfojvt Mar 2012 #47

The fact that he was treated with white gloves nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #49

Very good OP. This is about race, class, violence, fear, and misinformation. yardwork Mar 2012 #7

What is a scrap though? hfojvt Mar 2012 #22

oooooo..... Juicy...! happerbolic Mar 2012 #66

Wow... chervilant Apr 2012 #100

I see a lot of pollution coming from the 99% hfojvt Apr 2012 #107

hfojvt I enjoy your posts trekbiker Apr 2012 #111

I doubt if Zimmerman will likely end up like Dalmer. totodeinhere Apr 2012 #130

Good thing they don't get to decide the verdict. Quantess Mar 2012 #8

Have you heard of the term give them enough rope to hang themselves? Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #11

But some of them will never realize it starroute Mar 2012 #13

I am so counting on the forensics evidence. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #16

I used this case to help my students learn about propaganda techniques this week. knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #12

+1 blaze Mar 2012 #26

Of course! knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #29

You're an excellent teacher because lunatica Mar 2012 #31

We do have a lot of discussions. knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #87

Thanks for your work lunatica Apr 2012 #101

Kudos to you! You are preparing thoughtful students who will take those LuckyLib Mar 2012 #32

Thanks! knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #88

What a great skill and what a great teacher !!! lunasun Apr 2012 #104

That's wonderful. Mariana Apr 2012 #95

Aldous Huxley had it figured out. zeemike Mar 2012 #14

Thanks for that. Huxley always seems to have the key when it comes to modern primate weirdness. byronius Apr 2012 #90

This propaganda and spin is a very powerful tool. fasttense Apr 2012 #93

That story is a perfect example of the power of propaganda. zeemike Apr 2012 #98

"I repeated back what he had said to me and he blushed, ashamed" FiveGoodMen Apr 2012 #135

How folks respond to this event mick063 Mar 2012 #15

"We have a Rev. Jim Jones-like following on a national scale." gateley Mar 2012 #21

Look how many views this thread has gotten! Quantess Mar 2012 #18

Must be... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23

Excellent post, and I agree. stevedeshazer Mar 2012 #20

Just wondering droidamus2 Mar 2012 #24

Did we ever stop? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #25

That's elective college level stuff lunatica Mar 2012 #33

As I told the district nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52

I'm with you on this. newspeak Apr 2012 #109

Well you can understand the context of an institution nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #112

It's really hard to fathom, in this era of information, how deep the lines of division have become. bluesbassman Mar 2012 #28

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Nice try nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #34

FYI, MIRT moved fast and jury voted 6-0 to hide pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #42

Yup... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #43

Societal disrepair?... now that's something new...! happerbolic Mar 2012 #74

I like your parrot Aerows Apr 2012 #122

Flash mobs! OMG! Middle of the night FLASH MOBS!!!111 All due to absent fathers. OMG OMG OMG OMG uppityperson Mar 2012 #35

rofl! Flash mobs!! That's the source of that poster's angst and anxiety Number23 Mar 2012 #64

Maybe it's not a problem in Bumblefuck, AL eggplant aubergine Mar 2012 #69

Oh my God. You get more absurd and unhinged by the second Number23 Mar 2012 #73

"chartreuse flashmobs"? uppityperson Mar 2012 #75

Mauve. Aerows Apr 2012 #123

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #129

beseiged by thugs in the last few years due to gentrification.-say wa? lunasun Apr 2012 #105

Gotta love freepers/stormfront NOT nt maryellen99 Mar 2012 #36

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I think you're making this up lunatica Mar 2012 #38

Poster PPR'd--will not be replying pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #39

One hit wonder lunatica Mar 2012 #50

Our MIR Team--faster than a speeding bullet! :) pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #51

flash mobs bigtree Mar 2012 #44

Perfect, LOL! pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #48

and so you think those experiences shape perceptions and attitudes about this incident and response? bigtree Mar 2012 #40

The trolls have arrived. nt broiles Mar 2012 #45

Tagged and bagged nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #54

CSM & WSJ?..... really?... are you serious! happerbolic Mar 2012 #76

Nice African gray there nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #77

I've cut off contact with people I grew up with over this. I don't care.. if K Gardner Mar 2012 #37

Friend, I can see your problem quite clearly... MrScorpio Mar 2012 #41

You say, "Yet, these folks defending him were so certain . . . " Mariana Mar 2012 #46

That's my impression, also. secondvariety Mar 2012 #55

Thanks. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. nt. Mariana Mar 2012 #57

and the little ones in the house need the fairytale version when young lunasun Apr 2012 #106

yeah barbtries Mar 2012 #63

+1000 n/t jaysunb Mar 2012 #82

pathological liars and a bit touched in the head fascisthunter Mar 2012 #85

I agree with you 1000%. NOLALady Apr 2012 #114

People will never learn. If they see a minority walking through a neighborhood they are southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #53

This law and the stereotyping that goes along with it randr Mar 2012 #56

Such A Test Case Requires a Trial AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #60

ANDY, THAT'S EXACTLY what I was telling a certain DU'er who was accusing me of being melo- Ecumenist Mar 2012 #78

What can you do? BiggJawn Mar 2012 #58

i hope you were able to point out barbtries Mar 2012 #62

This is not new Alcibiades Mar 2012 #65

You know if I wasn't so old, I really would move to Europe or Canada or somewhere & I really don't EV_Ares Mar 2012 #67

If we could take race out of it, it's still about an aggressive gunman killing an unarmed teen. mainer Mar 2012 #68

and that's where race comes in bigtree Mar 2012 #71

88th Rec' BeHereNow Mar 2012 #72

k&r... spanone Mar 2012 #80

A man was shot in my town today by the police Aerows Mar 2012 #81

This is when we get to see who's a racist deep down inside, and who isn't nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #83

I live in the South Aerows Mar 2012 #86

Curious. NOLALady Apr 2012 #113

If you are a NOLALady, you live close enough to investigate. n/t Aerows Apr 2012 #115

Correct. NOLALady Apr 2012 #119

No problem, cher, I clarified in a later post Aerows Apr 2012 #121

White and black cops Aerows Apr 2012 #120

The 10 year anniversary of the Rodney King riots is at the end of April. Kablooie Mar 2012 #84

It's actually the 20th anniversary NICO9000 Apr 2012 #136

20th? Don't tell me it's 2012 already!? Kablooie Apr 2012 #148

Hold up. People defended Rodney King's assailants? BlueIris Mar 2012 #89

sure there were bigtree Apr 2012 #96

Yikes. BlueIris Apr 2012 #116

Yes they did. Remember, he was kicked to shit by police. MADem Apr 2012 #126

I can't even imagine having a discussion like that. byronius Apr 2012 #91

Someone needs a life preserver, right?! Zax2me Apr 2012 #103

race issues marshall gaines Apr 2012 #117

The really sad thing is that these kind of people are everywhere Pakid Apr 2012 #118

Chased him from the neighborhood FOR WHAT? AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #124

There's something interesting going on, and I can't figure it out. Wait Wut Apr 2012 #125

what I think bigtree Apr 2012 #127

I hear you Skittles Apr 2012 #131

You should have my co-workers. ScottLand Apr 2012 #132

Whoever can possibly defend Zimmerman hasn't been paying attention Rhiannon12866 Apr 2012 #133

Hi guys... Jigs Apr 2012 #137

Why would you want to jump into the conversation if not to change/convert TBF Apr 2012 #138

Thank you Jigs Apr 2012 #139

Why is this an "us against them" scenario? I'm trying to figure out what you mean. uppityperson Apr 2012 #140

Sorry Jigs Apr 2012 #142

What upset me was that the investigation was dropped. It was unequal and unfair and that is what uppityperson Apr 2012 #145

I'm not sure that you are unwelcome here... hootinholler Apr 2012 #141

Thank you sooooo much! Jigs Apr 2012 #144