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139. It is a very touchy issue

Reply to Flying Squirrel (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 07:38 PM

May 2014

My best friend is a gun enthusiast. I get into trouble on FB when one of my 'friends' posts some garbage and I just have to say something,why? because its not ok to use the slaughter of children to renew your enthusiasm for weapons and the unfettered access to them and then declare that to the world, baby especially not to me. Its not ok. Why is that so hard to understand?
I mean, if your friends child was a victim, would you pay him on the back and say, 'its not the guns fault man,,,'
It is the guns fault. The gun exists to kill. When it kills, we act surprised. And when the gun isnt busy killing, you never hear of it. You dont hear people who are enthusiastic about guns extolling the great accomplishments or endeavorsof guns being brought to the fore.
Because a gun is a tool. Like a hammer, you use the hammer to hammer nails. I saw etc. The gun is for killing.
But they make alot of money selling guns. And the guns always sell. Times are good, people are buying guns.Times are bad, people buy guns. Its a crazy business.
The NRA does not represent the sportsman of America. The NRA represents the corporations who sell guns. Why cant people see that ? Why?
I believe that we keep our government in check when we pay attention to it. By means of a free press.
Anyway,thats why every one hates me.

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I can't talk about my hatred of guns and the NRA on Facebook [View all] Flying Squirrel May 2014 OP

+1,000 malaise May 2014 #1

IBTL yuiyoshida May 2014 #10

I've been advocating taking away guns SheilaT May 2014 #2

You're right. I live in Australia and gun crime . . . MrModerate May 2014 #9

So true... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #19

This provided a sad laugh: CrispyQ May 2014 #111

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #3

Except the OP isn't being censored. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #32

Not so far. :-| n/t DeSwiss May 2014 #38

He hasn't been abducted by 3-eyed marauders from the planet Zorgon, either. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #40

Yes, let's. DeSwiss May 2014 #42

It was locked because it was outside the discussion permissions of GD. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #45

You can use any name you like for it. DeSwiss May 2014 #48

I did, and you aren't. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #51

Hehehe, yeah right. DeSwiss May 2014 #52

Orwell was very pro-gun. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #86

He was indeed. DeSwiss May 2014 #88

Guns is just one of many topics that are verboten here, one cannot upset the delicate Exposethefrauds May 2014 #4

Wow... a Tom Tomorrow toon censored? Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #5

Yeah FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #16

The toon was posted 5 days before a massacre. If it still wasn't time to have the discussion, ... stone space May 2014 #30

We can pull this one out over & over again. CrispyQ May 2014 #115

+1 valerief May 2014 #130

not censored Duckhunter935 May 2014 #44

It was posted in the right forum FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #62

Right forum, wrong rule. nt valerief May 2014 #131

How is it the wrong rule? blueridge3210 May 2014 #140

Posts in these side discussion groups go there to die, until they are really needed and then a week; greiner3 May 2014 #149

... handmade34 May 2014 #6

Seems pretty misleading. Brady campaign is not the only ant-gun campaign. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #47

Most Republican types don't really want him saying he's GOP but they'll take his money. greiner3 May 2014 #150

Do you have a chart with Bloomberg ' s spending? hack89 May 2014 #53

so in 2012 the NRA spent less than 3 million Duckhunter935 May 2014 #57

It's so funny you put up some facts BrotherIvan May 2014 #92

Guns don't kill people. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #7

Try discussionist. JVS May 2014 #8

We can only assume that among the powers that be on DU, the majority must be Pro-gun. Trust Buster May 2014 #11

HA! Pro-gun "Powers that be?" Ask em. Go ahead. Eleanors38 May 2014 #85

I "lost" two lifelong "friends" on Facebook over a gun post wyldwolf May 2014 #12

indeed. it's the guns. nt xchrom May 2014 #13

That's right! bearssoapbox May 2014 #14

Not a frequent poster The Time is Now May 2014 #24

Thanks for the links. bearssoapbox May 2014 #35

No one is stopping the gathering of statistics on guns. former9thward May 2014 #71

So Bloomburg is the 'go to guy' on gun control for some trolls at DU; greiner3 May 2014 #151

Yes, you are saying I am a troll. former9thward May 2014 #154

Interesting graph and completely misleading - of course intaglio May 2014 #26

Yes it is misleading. bearssoapbox May 2014 #37

Thats OK Duckhunter935 May 2014 #43

But most of the other figures include non-homicides intaglio May 2014 #112

Suicides harm many people, not just the suicider. nt valerief May 2014 #132

If you look at the graphic and add the homicide and non-homicide gun deaths it shows 28,000 Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #46

The graph does not include non-homicide gun deaths intaglio May 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid May 2014 #34

Yes bearssoapbox May 2014 #39

Trying to talk sense to a real gun nut is a lost cause Pakid May 2014 #15

Yeah, you can. You decided not to... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #17

I'm for enacting reasonable gun laws. Enthusiast May 2014 #18

Honest question BrotherIvan May 2014 #94

Winning issues are only winning issues in certain restricted geographical areas. Enthusiast May 2014 #121

Northern Minnesota especially NE Minnesota is heavilly Democratic. Jenoch May 2014 #126

So these "responsible gun owners" BrotherIvan May 2014 #148

Huh" Jenoch May 2014 #153

Did you know there are two DU groups dedicated to guns? aikoaiko May 2014 #20

This is a big news issue FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #64

The tom tomorrow carton posted before the UCSB shooting. aikoaiko May 2014 #67

There was a big news issue that prompted the cartoon FunkyLeprechaun May 2014 #68

There was no mention of Chipotle or other restaurants in the toon. aikoaiko May 2014 #72

were did it mention Duckhunter935 May 2014 #81

A little correction, IronGate May 2014 #142

You are aware that there are two gun discussion forums blueridge3210 May 2014 #21

. demmiblue May 2014 #22

Facebook sucks katmondoo May 2014 #23

When Tom Tomorrow toons are outlawed, only outlaws will have Tom Tomorrow toons. (nt) stone space May 2014 #25

The only way to stop a bad guy with a Tom Tomorrow cartoon klook May 2014 #31

There are several topics that are volatile and verboten like this. The shrill defense regarding GoneFishin May 2014 #27

until the 2nd amendment is changed guns will remain legal rdking647 May 2014 #28

Where does this militia part of the 2nd amendment come into play with gungeoneers? valerief May 2014 #135

I fail to see.. Inkfreak May 2014 #29

anti-gun posts are on GD all the time Duckhunter935 May 2014 #33

Is the fact. sendero May 2014 #36

of course the forget that Duckhunter935 May 2014 #41

Doesn't fit the narrative... Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #54

Correction: The Narrative�. Eleanors38 May 2014 #87

Yeah, but he also had his gun to subdue them as he slit their throats. But why post the facts? Hoyt May 2014 #84

You get support mstinamotorcity2 May 2014 #49

Who knew all these people could be so easily influenced to buy guns just by a maketing campaign? greatlaurel May 2014 #50

you know sensible gun regulations Duckhunter935 May 2014 #59

The last thing we rural folks need is for the gun culture to get suppressors. greatlaurel May 2014 #103

you do know that suppressors Duckhunter935 May 2014 #113

It's really easy to sign up for hosting. rrneck May 2014 #55

thank you Duckhunter935 May 2014 #60

You're welcome. rrneck May 2014 #66

Have you considered not being so timid? No one silenced you on FB except you. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #56

It is amazing what us firearms owners are called on Duckhunter935 May 2014 #61

And if you respond in kind as a demonstration of their incivility you get posts hidden. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #63

that's why I stay very polite Duckhunter935 May 2014 #145

Who said you couldn't? pipi_k May 2014 #58

It's kind of ironic that the pro-RKBA side is offering advice on how to continue his side. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #65

It's not speech that people want to silence, at least not at the root DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #69

I'm pro-RKBA for reasons of personal self-defense but you make a very good argument for Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #70

Are you having fun? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #74

"Your fear is fucking this country up something awful." Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #75

Love it or leave it? You fucking wish. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #77

It was not a "love it or leave it" statement. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #79

they do get angry, do they not Duckhunter935 May 2014 #82

Thanks for making Unicorn's point. Perfect. Eleanors38 May 2014 #89

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #93

Do you want "us" in our own group, never to venture out? Eleanors38 May 2014 #105

See above. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #106

Yours for censorship! Eleanors38 May 2014 #107

+10000000 savalez May 2014 #99

Not sure pipi_k May 2014 #73

It's the availability. Out of sight. Out of mind. Lint Head May 2014 #76

Rec'd for "It's the guns, stupid." Iggo May 2014 #78

+1 SunSeeker May 2014 #147

I'll be straight. Gun love is a dangerous mental illness. hunter May 2014 #80

When you wonder why the gun control movement is a smoking wreck in America hack89 May 2014 #90

I do what I can to control guns in my own community. hunter May 2014 #98

Most gun owners are responsible hack89 May 2014 #100

I'd have thought you'd enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow gun owners... hunter May 2014 #102

I have been doing exactly that every weekend for years hack89 May 2014 #104

Then you are not going have any problem being part of a well-regulated militia. hunter May 2014 #109

Yes, but a proposal grounded in American political and cultural reality hack89 May 2014 #116

Dicrimination against gay people, not allowing them to marry, for example... hunter May 2014 #117

And along came Windsor which changed everything. hack89 May 2014 #118

I'm ahead of my time, right? hunter May 2014 #122

Yes - and like civil rights, abortion and gay marriage hack89 May 2014 #123

No wonder the profession of psychology suffers a bad rep. Eleanors38 May 2014 #91

+1 valerief May 2014 #136

Why was this thread locked? I don't get it. kairos12 May 2014 #83

The TOS, I guess. Sometimes it's enforced. Eleanors38 May 2014 #96

A little less "hate" in your OP title might help your cause. Eleanors38 May 2014 #95

Thanks for the post locks May 2014 #97

Yep, the guns are 98% of the problem, and we are now just being murdered, daily by NRA randys1 May 2014 #101

Discussing real matters on Facebook is... IkeRepublican May 2014 #108

+1 CrispyQ May 2014 #110

Pro-gun liberals and responsible gun owning conservatives need to get together and active Voice for Peace May 2014 #119

The SOP for GD restricts discussion of guns unless it is "big news" albino65 May 2014 #120

Most gun threads in GD survive, "big news" or not. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #124

Crazy.... lupine25 May 2014 #125

It's not so much like that on Discussionist, which is ballyhoo May 2014 #127

Like the Brady Campaign, Million Moms and Dads. HockeyMom May 2014 #128

"Can't"? You can but chose not to. It is disingenuous to claim you are prohibited from doing Taitertots May 2014 #129

You are the one who is being disingenuous. Flying Squirrel May 2014 #133

You can but chose not to. "Could not" and "Can't" implies prohibition Taitertots May 2014 #137

With regards to Facebook blueridge3210 May 2014 #138

Well said. greatlaurel May 2014 #143

And if you talk about it here at the "Underground," the NRA thought-bots dutifully swarm the thread villager May 2014 #134

It is a very touchy issue maindawg May 2014 #139

I don't agree about banning guns (if that's what you advocate) but I respect and gladly entertain aint_no_life_nowhere May 2014 #141

Can't blame you, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #144

"...while people can post stuff about their pets in GD all day long." Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #146

I am just about ready to go around snatching peoples guns out of their cold dead hands. bravenak May 2014 #152

Time for bed. pablo_marmol May 2014 #155