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ecstatic

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27. it may not be as nefarious as you think

Tue May 27, 2014, 12:34 AM

May 2014

Whenever something bad happens, people tend to quickly decide what the cause was. Most of the time everyone is in agreement (like in the case of Tiller). When I saw the SB killer's videos and writings, my take away was that he was a mentally ill, most likely psychotic man. From there, the details of what he said didn't matter as I don't try to make sense out of what psychos say.

Others thought that this could have all been avoided if the killer could only find love and sex.

Then there were others, like yourself, who didn't see a psychotic person. You saw a man whose misogyny drove him to kill. I'm not saying that there aren't any misogyny deniers out there, but for me, it's an honest difference in perspective.

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I don't remember DUers being upset when Dr.Tiller's murder was [View all] sufrommich May 2014 OP

Elliot's body of work available for everyone to watch. nt DURHAM D May 2014 #1

I think DUers were just as vocally upset over Tiller's murder... SidDithers May 2014 #2

I meant that DUers weren't upset that the extremist sufrommich May 2014 #3

I imagine because basically none of us supported the anti-choice movement. NutmegYankee May 2014 #6

Question is, why would they? What essential "rights" of theirs are under attack? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #25

Not a clue. NutmegYankee May 2014 #56

They think that if any nonwhite, nonmale, nonstraight people get rights, Jamastiene May 2014 #77

They are extraordinarily immature, self-centered people. That much is true. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #80

I started to tell you that you had a shitty memory until Jamastiene May 2014 #76

The point is that there seemed to be a mindset that was the clear cause of the murder and Squinch May 2014 #7

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ Tsiyu May 2014 #35

I'll see that and raise you one DonCoquixote May 2014 #57

Yes. We have even seen posts that suggest that what Rodger did was understandable Squinch May 2014 #68

+1 myrna minx May 2014 #78

They don't want their meetings at their no girls allowed club houses Jamastiene May 2014 #79

And when someone says, "Hey, those boys in the other 'no girls allowed clubs' Squinch May 2014 #81

The Pick up Artist groups and Men's rights groups BanzaiBonnie May 2014 #4

There are a whole alphabet soup of sexist hate sites intaglio May 2014 #54

In fact there was a lot of assignment of blame to treestar May 2014 #5

Here's the question, though: TDale313 May 2014 #11

Thanks for spelling it out. nt redqueen May 2014 #12

+1 yuiyoshida May 2014 #15

No, there wasn't treestar May 2014 #16

Kick. The double standard is, in itself, an example of a systemic Squinch May 2014 #8

I think we all know why. nt redqueen May 2014 #9

What does "making a connection to" mean in this context? Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #10

Uh, really?? IIRC, there was quite a lot of discussion here of extremist influences stranger81 May 2014 #13

I think the original posts point was... vi5 May 2014 #63

Got it -- my bad. stranger81 May 2014 #67

Actually I remember quite a bit of discussion Skidmore May 2014 #14

the answer is simple..... BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #17

Point for point I agree to a degree... but defacto7 May 2014 #55

"Not all men" is often an excuse scruboak May 2014 #82

Global male violence is an outrage defacto7 May 2014 #83

Your "memory" is irrelevant. Unless you have something to support it, morningfog May 2014 #18

And I would be quite surprised if Tiller's extremism was being rationalized as something other than LanternWaste May 2014 #66

The OP is saying that it WAS thoroughly discussed here. Squinch May 2014 #69

I misunderstood the OP, and agree with you. morningfog May 2014 #71

Good question. Starry Messenger May 2014 #19

It has to do with the "Gender Wars". That's why. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #20

Nobody is "going into fringe territory". sufrommich May 2014 #24

"There's nothing "edgy or super radical" about the feminists...." *Most*, no. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #28

To be honest, I don't think you know what "fringe territory" is. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #34

Many HoFers are, yes. But there's a few problem people as well. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #53

I'm sorry, but you are just completely ridiculous. Squinch May 2014 #70

Then you must remember a different liberalhistorian May 2014 #21

Good god,that was my point. sufrommich May 2014 #22

Okay, I understand better what you're saying now, liberalhistorian May 2014 #23

I misunderstood your OP. morningfog May 2014 #60

I misread the intent of your post at first. I agree -- why the pushback now? Hekate May 2014 #26

What I said is that i don't remember any DUers being upset sufrommich May 2014 #29

I agree with you, and I find it creepy and disturbing to see it here. At best, I hope ... Hekate May 2014 #65

it may not be as nefarious as you think ecstatic May 2014 #27

I'd say he was both a misogynist AND mentally ill. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #30

but can a psychotic person be held responsible for holding hateful, ecstatic May 2014 #32

The guy who shot liberals in the church was very psychotic,I would guess sufrommich May 2014 #31

In this case, we got to watch video after video of the killer. We didn't get to do that ecstatic May 2014 #33

But many of his views were simply a more extreme version of stuff that gets posted all over. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #37

that's true, and those are the examples that should be used. Using a psychotic man as the face ecstatic May 2014 #42

His views may have been less extreme (and/or violent) if not for mental illness. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #43

Without the illness, there's no telling what his beliefs would have been ecstatic May 2014 #47

Can't really disagree. Especially the last sentence. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #48

If he weren't in control of his thoughts, he couldn't have written so lucidly. Demit May 2014 #62

that's not true of paranoid schizophrenics ecstatic May 2014 #72

I see. You are basing your diagnosis on a wikipedia entry. Demit May 2014 #73

I give up! Elliot was a completely normal guy! ecstatic May 2014 #74

I'm just scorning your armchair diagnosis. Demit May 2014 #75

I so get what you mean. bravenak May 2014 #36

Roeder had a history as a known anti-abortion activist.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #38

"Let's see some proof" geek tragedy May 2014 #41

He was a misogynist. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #44

Well, before the feminists came along, they made all the rules. geek tragedy May 2014 #45

While there is no denying that he did it on his own... giftedgirl77 May 2014 #58

Are you rewriting history or something? What bullshit!!!! Flamebait!!!! nt valerief May 2014 #39

Same reason DU doesn't have an anti-choice forum but does have an MRA (or MRA-lite) user group nt geek tragedy May 2014 #40

Really? What user group is that? nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #46

The one that expresses great hostility towards women who disapprove of porn and prostitution, geek tragedy May 2014 #49

Shit, that sounds bad ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #52

Here: morningfog May 2014 #61

Do you mean this? JackRiddler May 2014 #51

Tiller's murder was an assassination, the connection is a little more black and white Hippo_Tron May 2014 #50

The Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting JustAnotherGen May 2014 #59

You received some well thought out replies showing differences... NCTraveler May 2014 #64

Where's the pushback coming from? Arkana May 2014 #84