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Violet_Crumble

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116. Didn't you just get through telling someone you were asking a genuine question without antagonism?

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:13 AM

May 2014

I just told you the reason why I'm not interested in discussing it at DU, and I pointed to both sides involved, not just the one as you seem to think I did. And what I got for my trouble was an attack from you telling me I lower the level of discussion because I dare to disagree with some DUer somewhere on something. I don't do insults, which is why I've never had a post hidden at DU3.

While I'm pretty much always eloquent and sometimes even witty, I'm selective about what poo-flinging contests I willingly dive into, and tend to avoid most of them. I don't feel there's an obligation for me to appear and go "Hell yes! I agree!!' every time I see something I agree with, and many times when shit-fighting starts leaking all over GD, I start to avoid reading most of those sort of threads.

Anyway, must go and do a few 'Hell yes!! I agree!! Kittens are sooo damn cute!!!' replies to any cute kitty threads that have found their way into GD

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It appears some don't want a discussion regarding misogyny [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

I always wonder why as well. PeaceNikki May 2014 #1

I think scapegoating mental illness is what we've landed on. phil89 May 2014 #2

You actually watch Rodgers video and see no mental illness at all? davidn3600 May 2014 #10

What contributed to his mental illness? Did misogynism? uppityperson May 2014 #14

Can you point to the mental illness phil89 May 2014 #17

Vast majority of mentally ill are not violent, but a tiny percentage of them are davidn3600 May 2014 #25

Because you assert that, it must be true? phil89 May 2014 #28

Whatever... davidn3600 May 2014 #31

That's my point. phil89 May 2014 #32

Are you suggesting that there's 'better' scientific evidence that 'misogyny' causes mass shootings brett_jv May 2014 #47

As an example, there's the 1989 Montreal shootings, which were specifically of women muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #107

You don't see the fact that you are spouting the NRA agenda with your claims Jamastiene May 2014 #139

AMEN laundry_queen May 2014 #144

Exactly! n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #147

Psychosis (and mental illness generally) doesn't preclude meticulous planning. X_Digger May 2014 #42

James Holmes of Aurora infamy was very disturbed and did a lot of advance planning steve2470 May 2014 #77

As My Advanced Abnormal Professor Said, On the Road May 2014 #64

"It takes a level of psychosis to go out with a gun and just start mowing random people down." yuiyoshida May 2014 #37

Umm, not to nitpick, but if that's what you think the military does / did.. you need to think again. X_Digger May 2014 #46

Not me, I am asking him... yuiyoshida May 2014 #50

Seems strange to introduce the military angle when the poster you replied to didn't mention it. X_Digger May 2014 #54

Its called the slippery slope... yuiyoshida May 2014 #57

Have you forgotten Vietnam, or Afganistan. or Iraq? AAO May 2014 #53

I have family and friends who served in all those places. X_Digger May 2014 #55

You need to study history - just use google. AAO May 2014 #59

Feel free to provide some evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. n/t X_Digger May 2014 #60

Maybe others will. Good night. AAO May 2014 #61

Where's the psychosis? gwheezie May 2014 #108

You mean like the NRA talking points that someone MUST be mentally ill Jamastiene May 2014 #137

seeing a therapist is "mental illness"? CreekDog May 2014 #159

Yes. Under new rules, virtually anything can be considered a "mental illness." Look - Skip Intro May 2014 #166

Sure it can, but it's not the only thing. TreasonousBastard May 2014 #3

That seems to be pretty simple, really. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #4

+1 PotatoChip May 2014 #27

Well-said. arcane1 May 2014 #34

The impossible imaginary experiment aside, defacto7 May 2014 #101

Impossible imaginary experiment? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #102

Straw man. defacto7 May 2014 #104

Sorry, you don't really sound like wasting my time with. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #105

Don't you mean " Sorry, you don't really sound like defacto7 May 2014 #162

In short ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #158

I absolutely cannot figure it out. I don't think anyone who has been in these threads seaglass May 2014 #5

Because a lot of people can only think in binary terms. To be blunt, they're simpleminded idiots. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #82

So true. laundry_queen May 2014 #148

More that people are going at it with their own agendas Blue_Adept May 2014 #150

I'll be the first to acknowledge that it was a combination of many factors. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #164

Meanwhile... DURHAM D May 2014 #6

++++ Whisp May 2014 #13

+1 LiberalLoner May 2014 #41

In which case, we need to let the most blatant MRA-ish types know they're not welcome. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #83

THIS. redqueen May 2014 #40

Yep. You're right on this. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #58

God, so true. Starry Messenger May 2014 #62

This is a huge gap that alienates a lot of us. PeaceNikki May 2014 #65

They will, why? boston bean May 2014 #66

The allegation is that it's "whining about DU". PeaceNikki May 2014 #67

Asking why people feel a certain way is whining? WTF? boston bean May 2014 #68

I sincerely hope it's not. PeaceNikki May 2014 #69

I think it is only the OPs started by Uppity Women. nt DURHAM D May 2014 #70

I agree with you regarding the TOS but... DURHAM D May 2014 #71

Very much aware, yes. And I voice my displeasure about it often. Publicly and privately. PeaceNikki May 2014 #72

So "edumekaton" ain't working from the top down. DURHAM D May 2014 #73

It all stems from the same disregard for the rights of women. PeaceNikki May 2014 #75

Remember this from December of 2012? DURHAM D May 2014 #76

huh. no, I never saw that. PeaceNikki May 2014 #78

Totally agree. theHandpuppet May 2014 #90

There are a lot of openly liberalhistorian May 2014 #97

Amen to that!! theHandpuppet May 2014 #89

"Progressive" MadrasT May 2014 #110

+1000000 Jamastiene May 2014 #142

I even see the idea misogyny had nothing to do with it treestar May 2014 #7

can you point me to one of these posts? Doctor_J May 2014 #20

... treestar May 2014 #21

I stand corrected Doctor_J May 2014 #29

I don't think anyone can have everyone discuss what he or she wants at any given moment. aikoaiko May 2014 #8

How many are the same ones who object to discussion or privilege or try to minimize it? nt Lee-Lee May 2014 #9

A lot nt ismnotwasm May 2014 #12

If it were a Venn Diagram, it would pretty much be one circle. n/t JoeyT May 2014 #36

This! nomorenomore08 May 2014 #84

Yep, that's pretty much it. nt laundry_queen May 2014 #153

Why? Because certain people don't want to take a look in the mirror... YoungDemCA May 2014 #11

It really is shocking to me laundry_queen May 2014 #155

I see it as one of three factors - the one which will be most ignored Triana May 2014 #15

just like racism noiretextatique May 2014 #16

Misogyny? theHandpuppet May 2014 #18

Or maybe some see 25-30 OPs on misogyny over 3 days and think that's enough Doctor_J May 2014 #19

Why do people complain about threads they don't like? sufrommich May 2014 #22

There are a lot of posts objecting to the mentally ill characterization too treestar May 2014 #23

Did you know you can auto-trash by keyword? You should try it. n/t seaglass May 2014 #24

Given your post #29, it seems you have seen that it isn't enough. People ARE denying it. That's Squinch May 2014 #33

Quite a few amateur internet psychiatrists are confusing cause and effect Major Nikon May 2014 #51

^^^ This, right here. ^^^ 1000words May 2014 #74

I would agree, if it didn't fit into a larger pattern of targeted violence toward the female gender. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #85

So you are sure that effect matches the cause? Major Nikon May 2014 #87

All I know is there's a lot of senseless violence in this world that doesn't have to happen. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #88

You can say the same thing about pretty much all violence Major Nikon May 2014 #91

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #131

that's my take, and the subject line of the op is silly Doctor_J May 2014 #154

Except it's not quite that disconnected jeff47 May 2014 #156

Which is still nothing more than trying to attach rationality to an irrational act Major Nikon May 2014 #160

If you are steering a crazy person then you are responsible for what they do. jeff47 May 2014 #165

As long as it's appropriately applied.. Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #26

I have an entire thread devoted to that subject. Laelth May 2014 #30

See? That's why I like the trash button. Squinch May 2014 #35

LOL. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #38

And BOY are they pissed off! I've seen 'bitches' posted about women TWICE redqueen May 2014 #39

It has gone that far recently on DU? Jamastiene May 2014 #143

It's a safe and welcoming place for brogressive women redqueen May 2014 #146

Well, if feminists would just shut their traps, men wouldn't have to act this way. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #43

Thanks, Gormy theHandpuppet May 2014 #125

Huh? We have seen about a bajillion threads in the past 24 hours or so about this topic quinnox May 2014 #44

no, they actually respond and prattle on about dictionary definitions, evo psch idiocy and bettyellen May 2014 #93

You expect this topic to be different than any other that involves gender? Major Nikon May 2014 #96

Because some just have the option of not thinking about it if they don't want to. The country's full ancianita May 2014 #45

I will be honest with you AAO May 2014 #48

5 of the 7 dead in the Elliot murders were men JJChambers May 2014 #49

Only because he couldn't get into the sorority house. PeaceNikki May 2014 #52

Pretty simple. Because in general they're asses who don't give a damn about misogyny. HERVEPA May 2014 #56

The word misogeny has been used a lot around here mindwalker_i May 2014 #63

... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #86

There IS some truth to that, unfortunately, at least as far as DU is concerned. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #95

The term radfems just bugs me mindwalker_i May 2014 #100

They're so emotional! betsuni May 2014 #79

Is there a reason you spelled gin.. gyn? boston bean May 2014 #80

It was a sort of pun BB tkmorris May 2014 #99

Yeah, it wasn't very funny betsuni May 2014 #106

Missed the last... phew nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #81

Not here in General Dudes anyway. Starry Messenger May 2014 #92

I've been paying attention, but I haven't seen that. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #94

I think that if you wanted an honest discussion you wouldnt have opened the discussion rhett o rick May 2014 #98

The antagonism you see is not there. It was a question. boston bean May 2014 #109

But of course. I misunderstood the insinuation behind your "question". Carry on. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #113

Yeah, you did. You got anything you want to add to the discussion boston bean May 2014 #115

Roger was a misogynist. defacto7 May 2014 #103

Why I'm not particularly interested in discussing it at DU... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #111

Well,thank you so much for so eloquently stating boston bean May 2014 #112

And you prove her point but not so eloquently. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #114

Didn't you just get through telling someone you were asking a genuine question without antagonism? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #116

yeah, I did. And you gave an answer and I responded. It's called a discussion. boston bean May 2014 #118

You attacked me for daring to give you an honest answer to yr question.. Violet_Crumble May 2014 #120

I don't agree with your honest answer. I did not attack you. boston bean May 2014 #122

You attacked me... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #123

You seem to hold yourself above poo flinging. boston bean May 2014 #124

Not at all. I used to run poo-flinging courses in the old I/P forum... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #126

In my question, it wasn't about what people think about posters on DU, which you provided. boston bean May 2014 #127

No, I told you why I avoid discussions about misogyny at DU... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #130

I attacked you. Please point to my exact crime, provide the verbiage, please. boston bean May 2014 #138

Ditto. Yep. Yup. randome May 2014 #119

^^Perfect example as to why the vast majority of DUers... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #134

It's a case of friendly fire Blue_Adept May 2014 #152

I so agree with you. It is very difficult to have a decent discussion about some issues here. rhett o rick May 2014 #117

Really, no attacking in your post? How about you try some of that conducive discussion you boston bean May 2014 #121

And I wont discuss this issue with you because In My Opinion rhett o rick May 2014 #133

Yep. Adding that if you don't agree... one_voice May 2014 #129

Gotta head off to bed now, but I agree with yr addition... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #132

No, I sit back and wonder why, you are attacking others whom boston bean May 2014 #135

Well BB, if it was only an opinion, one_voice May 2014 #140

.. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #128

For the same reason violence against women is not taken seriously in our society. Jamastiene May 2014 #136

Why do you care if "some don't want a discussion"? IronLionZion May 2014 #141

Hands up, who's surprised at how many people posted just to spew redqueen May 2014 #145

And yet, they keep starting thread after thread attempting to 'discuss' misogyny hootinholler May 2014 #149

These are my own reasons Armstead May 2014 #151

I've had a couple of days to think about this and his manifesto. It's misogyny. stevenleser May 2014 #157

What really vexes me are Totino's Pizza Rolls actually smaller now? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #161

You are not interested in discussion Egnever May 2014 #163