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In reply to the discussion: Under "Obamacare" 27% to 32% of insurance premiums will go for profits and administrative costs ... [View all]Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)55. Once again: Fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules.

Op-Ed Contributors
A One-Track Senate
By BARRY FRIEDMAN and ANDREW D. MARTIN
Barry Friedman is a vice dean at New York University School of Law. Andrew D. Martin is the chairman of the political science department and a professor of law at Washington University in St. Louis.
March 9, 2010
During the 1960s, the Senate was frozen by lengthy filibusters over civil rights legislation. When, in the mid-70s, that tactic once again threatened to bring the Senate to a standstill, Robert Byrd, the West Virginia Democrat who was the majority whip, invented a dual-track system. This change in practice allowed the majority leader with the unanimous consent of the Senate or the approval of the minority leader to set aside whatever was being debated on the Senate floor and move immediately to another item on the agenda.
The result of tracking? No more marathon debate sessions that shut down the Senate. While one bill is being filibustered, business can continue on others.
Because dual-tracking is a Senate practice, not a formal rule, the majority leader, Harry Reid, could end tracking at any time. By doing so, the Democrats would transform the filibuster and recover their opportunity to govern effectively.
After all, filibusters historically broke when public opinion went against the Senate minority. If the Democratic leadership eliminated the dual-track system, serial, single-issue filibusters would give us an opportunity to see where the country actually stands on issues like health care reform and financial regulation and where the Senate should stand.
Read the full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/opinion/10martin.html?_r=3
Filibuster in the United States Senate
From Wikipedia
"After a series of filibusters in the 1960s over civil rights legislation, the Senate put a "two-track system" into place in the early 1970s under the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield and Byrd, who was at that time serving as Senate Majority Whip. Before the introduction of tracking, a filibuster would stop the Senate from moving on to any other legislative activity. Tracking allows the majority leader with unanimous consent or the agreement by the minority leader to have more than one bill pending on the floor as unfinished business. Under the "two-track system", the Senate can have two or more pieces of legislation pending on the floor simultaneously by designating specific periods during the day when each matter or measure will be considered."
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate
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ritique of the Senate Filibuster
By Roy Ulrich
Roy Ulrich is a researcher at Demos, a New York-based policy and advocacy organization
May 5, 2009
The extended speechifying made famous by Strom Thurmond and Huey Long before him has been replaced by what legal scholars Erwin Chemerinsky and Catherine Fisk have dubbed the "stealth" filibuster. Its genesis was the early 1970s, when it became apparent to then majority leader Mike Mansfield (D-MT) that delaying tactics such as objections to unanimous consent motions; forcing the previous day's journal to be read aloud in its entirety; suggesting the absence of a quorum; and -- of course -- extended periods of time holding the floor were causing the Senate to fall behind in doing the people's business. (Contrary to popular legend, the workload of the modern-day Senate is substantial. Most members could make a convincing argument for the proposition that they really don't have time to wait out a filibuster.) In response, Mansfield devised a "two-track" system where the mornings were devoted to filibustering and the afternoons to pressing business. With liberal Democrats taking the floor to argue against further funding of the Vietnam War and in favor of stripping right-to-work provisions out of federal labor laws, there was bipartisan support for his efforts. While this dual system may have solved Mansfield's problems over the short term, over the long term it has proved to be disastrous. An explanation for this statement is in order.
Rather than dividing mornings and afternoons between filibustered bills and other matters, over time the Senate has come to a point in time where it seldom takes up legislation unless the majority leadership has counted sixty votes. In other words, a credible threat that 41 senators won't vote for cloture is enough to keep a bill off the floor on most occasions. Boston College historian Julian Zeliger puts it this way: "Mansfield's measure, which was intended to promote efficiency, inadvertently encouraged filibusters by making them politically costless and painless."
One way for a senator to let her colleagues know that she intends to pursue a filibuster is to place a "hold" on a bill, thereby letting her colleagues know she will not accede to unanimous consent. Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein has noted that in the modern Senate holds "are routinely employed -- often anonymously -- against bills or people the senator has nothing against, but wants to take as hostages for leverage on something utterly unrelated to the hold itself."
If members actually had to hold the floor as in the days of Senators Long and Thurmond, most filibusters would end quickly. The reason is that we live in an age where this public disgust over partisan gridlock. Public airing of the old-fashioned filibuster on C-Span and elsewhere would not be something most Senators would want the public to see. In the current climate, it would be sound political strategy for Senate Majority leader Harry Reid to force the Republicans to engage in extended debate on a major issue such as health care reform. Best of all, no change in Senate rules would be required.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-ulrich/a-critique-of-the-senate_b_193221.html
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Reid triggers nuclear option to change Senate rules, end repeat filibusters
By Alexander Bolton
October 6, 2011
In a shocking development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely used procedural option informally called the nuclear option to change the Senate rules.
Reid and 50 members of his caucus voted to change Senate rules unilaterally to prevent Republicans from forcing votes on uncomfortable amendments after the chamber has voted to move to final passage of a bill.
Reids coup passed by a vote of 51-48, leaving Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fuming.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters
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Dick Durbin: Let GOP filibuster
By MANU RAJU
March 4, 2010
Senate Democrats may be ready to actually make Republicans carry out filibusters. Basking in their political victory over Sen. Jim Bunnings (R-Ky.) blockade of an extension of unemployment insurance, Democrats say that they may force Republicans to talk endlessly on the floor in the months leading up to Novembers elections.
For months, House Democrats and liberal activists have implored Senate Democrats to let filibusters unfold over hours on the Senate floor, rather than try disposing of Senate business with cloture votes and unanimous consent requests.
Asked Thursday why Senate Democrats dont force Republicans to carry out filibusters, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, We may.
When we think the Republicans are being unreasonable were going to consider our options under the rules of the Senate, I think there is a feeling after what we went through with Sen. Bunnings blockage and unemployment benefits that we need to stand up more and make it clear what this obstruction costs, Durbin said.
In the past, Democrats have hesitated to employ the tactic, fearing that it would serve only to bottle up the agenda further and create even worse perceptions of the Democratic-led Congress. Instead, when Republicans have threatened to filibuster, Democrats pull the legislation from the floor if they lack the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33920.html
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Under "Obamacare" 27% to 32% of insurance premiums will go for profits and administrative costs ... [View all]
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
OP
And what was the average % prior to the "Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act"?
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#5
It's just a fact: prior to AHA, there were no limits on profits governing the insurance industry
elias7
Apr 2012
#113
Your comment doesn't prove that the average medical/loss ratio was lower before the insurance law.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#50
The fact that 70-77% of insurers (and large group is the biggest percent of insurers)
HiPointDem
Mar 2012
#17
It has already bent the cost curve in the proper direction, and the major provisions
pnwmom
Mar 2012
#29
In nature, It is not that a Shark has no teeth (those are quite impressive), but rather,
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#121
"single payer never had a chance". It certainly didn't with President Obama opposing single payer!
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#7
The deal was made behind closed doors with "help" from insurance/big pharma industry lobbyists.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#22
That is why he had to block any discussion of a not for profit system for All ...
slipslidingaway
Mar 2012
#52
Does the 20% include what hospitals and doctors' practices spend on administration?
freedom fighter jh
Mar 2012
#46
The posts in this subthread seem to assume that insurance companies have only highly paid executives
treestar
Apr 2012
#142
So what? PNHP will fudge any numbers they have to to make a point, but...
TreasonousBastard
Mar 2012
#14
Right. You sure can't trust 18,000 progressive doctors who support a single payer system.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#25
Those Commie basterd healing as*&&les, Health care professionals should mind their own business
Dragonfli
Mar 2012
#32
It's all good! Well..it's a little better..maybe, not as bad as it could be...or something.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2012
#16
Did you trust him when he opposed Bush policies here before they were adopted by blue dogs?
Dragonfli
Mar 2012
#27
They are crystal clear, BBI consistently fights for the right to actual health care
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#86
PNHP has't been thrown under the bus yet? Are the Insurance Cartel defenders getting lazy
Dragonfli
Mar 2012
#23
Advancing to a 15% MLR (your 80/85 is inverted) is a major improvement over 36% but even at that
grantcart
Mar 2012
#33
But you are mistaken regarding fake "Republican filibusters" which can easily be ended.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#56
With plenty of drum-banging to be had here, your thoughtful post is appreciated.
AtomicKitten
Mar 2012
#51
Once again: Fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules.
Better Believe It
Mar 2012
#55
Do you remember a while back when I asked you to please post more often?
great white snark
Apr 2012
#73
You still haven't presented any evidence that 60 votes are need to pass legislation in the Senate.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#132
Canada did not establish single payer by requiring people to buy private insurance
eridani
Apr 2012
#71
Those who defend this travesty don't care and are standing in the way of universal health care.
Mimosa
Apr 2012
#169
We will, until we have what you have, Health Care for all Americans so that thousands do not die
sabrina 1
Mar 2012
#41
He will not reply, he appears to think our misfortunes are for his amusenment
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#75
There is nothing I can add to what you just said, I am in complete agreement (edited)
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#81
She would stand by whatever I decided, but might advise me to consider not embarrassing her
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#87
Yes, Comedy gold! There is growing poverty as well to laugh at when our bad health care
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#96
It was my wife's misfortune to be killed by insurance, and mine to go heavy into debt
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#147
He will not answer, unless it is with a laughing smiley in the body and no text, I have tried a
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#76
From a guy enjoying already what we are asking for, yeah fuck us, it is only good for his peeps. /nt
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#77
It is where most plans are now or lots of people should be going to jail for false reporting.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#64
Well, as long as they make money, that is the actual goal after all, the sickos are just for profit.
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#88
Or a bailout for an industry that had just about driven itself to extinction with fraud
Marr
Apr 2012
#149
Brother, you are still rational after all these years, I love that about you.
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#82
We took over all of those things mentioned, but we did not take over the bulk of "donations"
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#123
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#79
And we have trolls that do not even reply, just heckle and laugh, (ironically while receiving UHC)
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#99
I am waiting for a fly-by that says, "We still have the best HC in the world"
Doctor_J
Apr 2012
#101
I think with obesity, even a 2 day clinic and seminar could be a life saver.
truedelphi
Apr 2012
#157
Compared to doctors stealing premium dollars, tax dollars and patiants dollars anyone is a noted
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#131
"anyone is a noted humanitarian" Hope you're not including insurance sharks and big pharma.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#133
Compared to doctors? Yes, they are some of the few people who stop these criminals from taking
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#136
Next time you need medical care I suggest you consult an insurance executive then..
Fumesucker
Apr 2012
#134
Ask your doctor next time if it's ok for you to file your own insurance claim.
RB TexLa
Apr 2012
#138
I assume you feel the same way about articles written by progressives that I post.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#144
It's the attitude of this post and others like it. This post is pure Debbie Downer.
gulliver
Apr 2012
#146
Are administrative costs subject to exemption under the 2013 kick-in where 80% of premiums collected
lonestarnot
Apr 2012
#174