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55. Once again: Fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:58 PM
Mar 2012


Op-Ed Contributors
A One-Track Senate
By BARRY FRIEDMAN and ANDREW D. MARTIN
Barry Friedman is a vice dean at New York University School of Law. Andrew D. Martin is the chairman of the political science department and a professor of law at Washington University in St. Louis.
March 9, 2010


During the 1960s, the Senate was frozen by lengthy filibusters over civil rights legislation. When, in the mid-’70s, that tactic once again threatened to bring the Senate to a standstill, Robert Byrd, the West Virginia Democrat who was the majority whip, invented a dual-track system. This change in practice allowed the majority leader — with the unanimous consent of the Senate or the approval of the minority leader — to set aside whatever was being debated on the Senate floor and move immediately to another item on the agenda.

The result of tracking? No more marathon debate sessions that shut down the Senate. While one bill is being “filibustered,” business can continue on others.

Because dual-tracking is a Senate practice, not a formal rule, the majority leader, Harry Reid, could end tracking at any time. By doing so, the Democrats would transform the filibuster and recover their opportunity to govern effectively.

After all, filibusters historically broke when public opinion went against the Senate minority. If the Democratic leadership eliminated the dual-track system, serial, single-issue filibusters would give us an opportunity to see where the country actually stands on issues like health care reform and financial regulation — and where the Senate should stand.

Read the full article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/opinion/10martin.html?_r=3


Filibuster in the United States Senate
From Wikipedia


"After a series of filibusters in the 1960s over civil rights legislation, the Senate put a "two-track system" into place in the early 1970s under the leadership of Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield and Byrd, who was at that time serving as Senate Majority Whip. Before the introduction of tracking, a filibuster would stop the Senate from moving on to any other legislative activity. Tracking allows the majority leader — with unanimous consent or the agreement by the minority leader — to have more than one bill pending on the floor as unfinished business. Under the "two-track system", the Senate can have two or more pieces of legislation pending on the floor simultaneously by designating specific periods during the day when each matter or measure will be considered."

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate


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ritique of the Senate Filibuster
By Roy Ulrich
Roy Ulrich is a researcher at Demos, a New York-based policy and advocacy organization
May 5, 2009


The extended speechifying made famous by Strom Thurmond and Huey Long before him has been replaced by what legal scholars Erwin Chemerinsky and Catherine Fisk have dubbed the "stealth" filibuster. Its genesis was the early 1970s, when it became apparent to then majority leader Mike Mansfield (D-MT) that delaying tactics such as objections to unanimous consent motions; forcing the previous day's journal to be read aloud in its entirety; suggesting the absence of a quorum; and -- of course -- extended periods of time holding the floor were causing the Senate to fall behind in doing the people's business. (Contrary to popular legend, the workload of the modern-day Senate is substantial. Most members could make a convincing argument for the proposition that they really don't have time to wait out a filibuster.) In response, Mansfield devised a "two-track" system where the mornings were devoted to filibustering and the afternoons to pressing business. With liberal Democrats taking the floor to argue against further funding of the Vietnam War and in favor of stripping right-to-work provisions out of federal labor laws, there was bipartisan support for his efforts. While this dual system may have solved Mansfield's problems over the short term, over the long term it has proved to be disastrous. An explanation for this statement is in order.

Rather than dividing mornings and afternoons between filibustered bills and other matters, over time the Senate has come to a point in time where it seldom takes up legislation unless the majority leadership has counted sixty votes. In other words, a credible threat that 41 senators won't vote for cloture is enough to keep a bill off the floor on most occasions. Boston College historian Julian Zeliger puts it this way: "Mansfield's measure, which was intended to promote efficiency, inadvertently encouraged filibusters by making them politically costless and painless."

One way for a senator to let her colleagues know that she intends to pursue a filibuster is to place a "hold" on a bill, thereby letting her colleagues know she will not accede to unanimous consent. Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein has noted that in the modern Senate holds "are routinely employed -- often anonymously -- against bills or people the senator has nothing against, but wants to take as hostages for leverage on something utterly unrelated to the hold itself."

If members actually had to hold the floor as in the days of Senators Long and Thurmond, most filibusters would end quickly. The reason is that we live in an age where this public disgust over partisan gridlock. Public airing of the old-fashioned filibuster on C-Span and elsewhere would not be something most Senators would want the public to see. In the current climate, it would be sound political strategy for Senate Majority leader Harry Reid to force the Republicans to engage in extended debate on a major issue such as health care reform. Best of all, no change in Senate rules would be required.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-ulrich/a-critique-of-the-senate_b_193221.html


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Reid triggers ‘nuclear option’ to change Senate rules, end repeat filibusters
By Alexander Bolton
October 6, 2011


In a shocking development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely used procedural option informally called the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules.

Reid and 50 members of his caucus voted to change Senate rules unilaterally to prevent Republicans from forcing votes on uncomfortable amendments after the chamber has voted to move to final passage of a bill.

Reid’s coup passed by a vote of 51-48, leaving Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fuming.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters


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Dick Durbin: Let GOP filibuster
By MANU RAJU
March 4, 2010


Senate Democrats may be ready to actually make Republicans carry out filibusters. Basking in their political victory over Sen. Jim Bunning’s (R-Ky.) blockade of an extension of unemployment insurance, Democrats say that they may force Republicans to talk endlessly on the floor in the months leading up to November’s elections.

For months, House Democrats — and liberal activists — have implored Senate Democrats to let filibusters unfold over hours on the Senate floor, rather than try disposing of Senate business with cloture votes and unanimous consent requests.

Asked Thursday why Senate Democrats don’t force Republicans to carry out filibusters, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, “We may.”

“When we think the Republicans are being unreasonable — we’re going to consider our options under the rules of the Senate, I think there is a feeling after what we went through with Sen. Bunning’s blockage and unemployment benefits that we need to stand up more and make it clear what this obstruction costs,” Durbin said.

In the past, Democrats have hesitated to employ the tactic, fearing that it would serve only to bottle up the agenda further and create even worse perceptions of the Democratic-led Congress. Instead, when Republicans have threatened to filibuster, Democrats pull the legislation from the floor if they lack the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.

Read the full article at:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33920.html

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Compared to an UNLIMITED percent prior to Obamacare. pnwmom Mar 2012 #1
Exactly. cbayer Mar 2012 #2
And what was the average % prior to the "Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act"? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #5
What I said was factual and to the point. Sorry you can't understand it. n/t pnwmom Mar 2012 #8
And sorry we don't just texshelters Mar 2012 #18
What did I say that you take issue with? pnwmom Mar 2012 #28
Some folks are logic challenged n/t elias7 Mar 2012 #57
So logically challenged that I want actual evidence. texshelters Apr 2012 #95
It's just a fact: prior to AHA, there were no limits on profits governing the insurance industry elias7 Apr 2012 #113
It's not what you said texshelters Apr 2012 #94
Did you really need any evidence for the fact that before the Act, pnwmom Apr 2012 #100
I think the point is that there had to be a limit of some sort. freedom fighter jh Mar 2012 #45
According to Morning Star bighart Apr 2012 #137
Your comment doesn't prove that the average medical/loss ratio was lower before the insurance law. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #50
About the same, apparently. HiPointDem Mar 2012 #10
That's not the way I am reading it, according to the GAO (from your link) cbayer Mar 2012 #15
The fact that 70-77% of insurers (and large group is the biggest percent of insurers) HiPointDem Mar 2012 #17
Here's a short read from back then. Remembering what it was like. Maraya1969 Apr 2012 #164
Why bother indeed. For some if it's anything Obama it's bad. great white snark Mar 2012 #6
For too many, nothing about Obama can every be bad and they texshelters Mar 2012 #21
It has already bent the cost curve in the proper direction, and the major provisions pnwmom Mar 2012 #29
And how's that profit curve working out? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #126
ACA does in fact address long term costs. elias7 Mar 2012 #59
Ha ha texshelters Apr 2012 #93
this is Not just about Obama ... slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #47
That's right. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #62
And the great white shark is silent. n/t slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #117
In nature, It is not that a Shark has no teeth (those are quite impressive), but rather, Dragonfli Apr 2012 #121
Well I certainly needed that chuckle ... slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #122
As long as the mechanism is in place, we can turn the screws as we see fit. dawg Mar 2012 #3
Ugh...you are never far behind to post something negative... vaberella Mar 2012 #4
"single payer never had a chance". It certainly didn't with President Obama opposing single payer! Better Believe It Mar 2012 #7
Do you? vaberella Mar 2012 #12
The deal was made behind closed doors with "help" from insurance/big pharma industry lobbyists. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #22
Obama was realistic he knew the votes for single payer julian09 Mar 2012 #49
That is why he had to block any discussion of a not for profit system for All ... slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #52
^ Exactly ^ Mimosa Apr 2012 #166
You are misreading the article, which is pure speculation, not fact. pnwmom Mar 2012 #9
Does the 20% include what hospitals and doctors' practices spend on administration? freedom fighter jh Mar 2012 #46
The latest manufactured outrage widget its the shop room floor ... thud. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #11
You say that like it's a bad thing... Fumesucker Mar 2012 #13
Good one. sad sally Mar 2012 #19
I for one sure understand it is very difficult to truedelphi Mar 2012 #30
... NCarolinawoman Apr 2012 #70
The posts in this subthread seem to assume that insurance companies have only highly paid executives treestar Apr 2012 #142
So your point is? truedelphi Apr 2012 #151
THe claim has to be covered by the insurance treestar Apr 2012 #152
There are no lawyers in the state of California that will sue Kaiser. truedelphi Apr 2012 #155
So what? PNHP will fudge any numbers they have to to make a point, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2012 #14
Right. You sure can't trust 18,000 progressive doctors who support a single payer system. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #25
Those Commie basterd healing as*&&les, Health care professionals should mind their own business Dragonfli Mar 2012 #32
Unfortunately some people here can only trust those who spend their whole truedelphi Apr 2012 #156
Then please explain how MediCare has managed to do truedelphi Mar 2012 #31
VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT be happy and sane again! xtraxritical Mar 2012 #35
I've done that for the last 36 years Doctor_J Apr 2012 #124
Oh, yeah, I used to send him money in 2007 and 2008 Mimosa Apr 2012 #167
If your underwriting profit margins were so weak maybe xtraxritical Mar 2012 #34
Somehow they manage it. HiPointDem Mar 2012 #37
It's all good! Well..it's a little better..maybe, not as bad as it could be...or something. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #16
I don't think much of what Better Believe It posts LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #20
Did you trust him when he opposed Bush policies here before they were adopted by blue dogs? Dragonfli Mar 2012 #27
+1001 rudycantfail Apr 2012 #108
+1002 freedom fighter jh Apr 2012 #141
+1000...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #40
Yeah, why think when you can just question someone's motives. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #42
it doesn't require much thinking when the motives are crystal clear.... dionysus Apr 2012 #68
They are crystal clear, BBI consistently fights for the right to actual health care Dragonfli Apr 2012 #86
. dionysus Apr 2012 #105
still don't know much about the issue, as evidenced by your eloquence /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #106
+1,000,000 n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #44
oh shit! dionysus Apr 2012 #67
Perhaps you *should* think about them for awhile. Marr Apr 2012 #148
PNHP has't been thrown under the bus yet? Are the Insurance Cartel defenders getting lazy Dragonfli Mar 2012 #23
Completely ProSense Mar 2012 #24
Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2012 #26
Advancing to a 15% MLR (your 80/85 is inverted) is a major improvement over 36% but even at that grantcart Mar 2012 #33
Thanks for a dose of sanity grantcart groundloop Mar 2012 #36
But you are mistaken regarding fake "Republican filibusters" which can easily be ended. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #56
Excellent points, excellent reply emulatorloo Mar 2012 #38
It's a ProSense Mar 2012 #43
With plenty of drum-banging to be had here, your thoughtful post is appreciated. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #51
Once again: Fake Republican procedural "filibusters" can be ended at anytime as can Senate rules. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #55
Quoting Senate Rules in plain English has had no impact on you so further grantcart Apr 2012 #69
Do you remember a while back when I asked you to please post more often? great white snark Apr 2012 #73
You still haven't presented any evidence that 60 votes are need to pass legislation in the Senate. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #132
Canada did not establish single payer by requiring people to buy private insurance eridani Apr 2012 #71
Those who defend this travesty don't care and are standing in the way of universal health care. Mimosa Apr 2012 #169
It will have to be done state by state eridani Apr 2012 #173
+1000 mac56 Apr 2012 #125
People sicken and die incrementally, too Mimosa Apr 2012 #168
Keep trying...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #39
We will, until we have what you have, Health Care for all Americans so that thousands do not die sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #41
He was referring to BBI, not his apologists. great white snark Apr 2012 #72
He will not reply, he appears to think our misfortunes are for his amusenment Dragonfli Apr 2012 #75
Hi Dragonfli, I guess I did not expect a response. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #78
There is nothing I can add to what you just said, I am in complete agreement (edited) Dragonfli Apr 2012 #81
I am so, terribly sorry about your wife, Dragonfli. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #85
She would stand by whatever I decided, but might advise me to consider not embarrassing her Dragonfli Apr 2012 #87
I can relate to that, what you think your wife's reaction might be. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #107
... SidDithers Apr 2012 #89
Zing! Karmadillo Apr 2012 #92
Yes, Comedy gold! There is growing poverty as well to laugh at when our bad health care Dragonfli Apr 2012 #96
Then it's your "misfortune" to be an American treestar Apr 2012 #143
It was my wife's misfortune to be killed by insurance, and mine to go heavy into debt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #147
Thank you for sharing your painful story, Dragonfli. PA Democrat Apr 2012 #158
Do you people in Canada have fundraisers for cancer treatment? Autumn Mar 2012 #54
He will not answer, unless it is with a laughing smiley in the body and no text, I have tried a Dragonfli Apr 2012 #76
yet from the time period of July 2010 to truedelphi Apr 2012 #127
Zing! Karmadillo Apr 2012 #65
From a guy enjoying already what we are asking for, yeah fuck us, it is only good for his peeps. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #77
Folks Don't Under How The MLR Caps Profits Apparently indykatie1955 Mar 2012 #48
Yes, I remember that provision. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #53
It is where most plans are now or lots of people should be going to jail for false reporting. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #64
Well, as long as they make money, that is the actual goal after all, the sickos are just for profit. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #88
15-20 percent is the max they need bart95 Mar 2012 #58
Well, if medicare can do it at 5% technically that is the max they need /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #84
Thank you Dragonfli - truedelphi Apr 2012 #111
Its the "Uniquely American Solution!" bvar22 Mar 2012 #60
A "solution" in name only. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #61
Exactly hayrow1 Apr 2012 #63
Or a bailout for an industry that had just about driven itself to extinction with fraud Marr Apr 2012 #149
Brother, you are still rational after all these years, I love that about you. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #82
If only we had elected the guy who actually wanted single payer. Karmadillo Apr 2012 #110
We took over all of those things mentioned, but we did not take over the bulk of "donations" Dragonfli Apr 2012 #123
Well put. Marr Apr 2012 #150
keep trying. someday maybe your ship will come in! dionysus Apr 2012 #66
True that, too many people die from insurance cartels Dragonfli Apr 2012 #83
Wow, you are certainly Mr. popular around here, aren't you? Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #74
"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #79
TYVM. Thom Hartmann is to blame. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #91
That is due merely to a (hopefully) temporary cult of personality disorder Dragonfli Apr 2012 #80
Welcome to the new DU! nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #109
Why, TYVM. Glad to be here. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #112
Divide and conquer, eh? joshcryer Apr 2012 #165
I figured it out a while back. Mimosa Apr 2012 #170
This country is an embarrassment Doctor_J Apr 2012 #90
Here ProSense Apr 2012 #97
Your "then" is more like "now" Doctor_J Apr 2012 #104
And we have trolls that do not even reply, just heckle and laugh, (ironically while receiving UHC) Dragonfli Apr 2012 #99
I am waiting for a fly-by that says, "We still have the best HC in the world" Doctor_J Apr 2012 #101
I was going to give it a month, but you are probably more accurate. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #102
You had a jury on this post Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #115
Thank you, Sincerely, for the transparency. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #119
Good to see you, Doctor. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #118
Another issue re the new pre-existing condition pool. Vinca Apr 2012 #98
I think with obesity, even a 2 day clinic and seminar could be a life saver. truedelphi Apr 2012 #157
Well we know where the doctors want it to go! Their gready fucking pockets! RB TexLa Apr 2012 #103
BS ... slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #116
Just look at how much they steal from insurance companies and the government RB TexLa Apr 2012 #129
My daughter steals from me every week ... slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #159
RBTex, you're seriously uninformed. Mimosa Apr 2012 #171
Doctors serve an actual purpose.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #120
Without insurance executives, doctors would take every dime you have RB TexLa Apr 2012 #128
Yes, insurance executives are such noted humanitarians.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #130
Compared to doctors stealing premium dollars, tax dollars and patiants dollars anyone is a noted RB TexLa Apr 2012 #131
"anyone is a noted humanitarian" Hope you're not including insurance sharks and big pharma. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #133
Compared to doctors? Yes, they are some of the few people who stop these criminals from taking RB TexLa Apr 2012 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #162
Next time you need medical care I suggest you consult an insurance executive then.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #134
Ask your doctor next time if it's ok for you to file your own insurance claim. RB TexLa Apr 2012 #138
I have neither a doctor nor insurance.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #139
Rather pissed at your ignorance ... slipslidingaway Apr 2012 #160
Yet another solid argument for single payer. hifiguy Apr 2012 #114
^ Exactly!!!^ Yaya!! ^ n/t Mimosa Apr 2012 #172
I'm sorry, but I can't take anything you post seriously. cali Apr 2012 #135
+1... SidDithers Apr 2012 #140
I assume you feel the same way about articles written by progressives that I post. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #144
It's the attitude of this post and others like it. This post is pure Debbie Downer. gulliver Apr 2012 #146
I think you like to stir shit. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2012 #145
You don't know me. LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #153
Interesting Reply. I was responing to BetterBelieveIt. Lil Missy Apr 2012 #154
I've noticed a trend with all of your OPs... MrScorpio Apr 2012 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #163
Are administrative costs subject to exemption under the 2013 kick-in where 80% of premiums collected lonestarnot Apr 2012 #174
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