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one_voice

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140. Well BB, if it was only an opinion,

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:44 AM

May 2014

without all the extra nastiness, accusations, and just plain old meanness that'd be one thing; but it isn't. I've been on the receiving end of it, I know. I've had productive conversations with feminist with differing opinions. Some I've learned from, some I've educated, some we've just agreed to disagreed. But never have we talked to each other the way I've talked to here on DU. The condescension, the attempt at shaming, the attempt at faulting me with oppressing women, going so far as calling me a rape enabler.

I'm done giving the benefit of the doubt, it's NEVER been given to me. I see something wrong with that.

There are some here I could talk to and learn from all day long, others not so much. Though I will say, even the ones I don't care to interact with I do learn from on rare occasions.

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It appears some don't want a discussion regarding misogyny [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

I always wonder why as well. PeaceNikki May 2014 #1

I think scapegoating mental illness is what we've landed on. phil89 May 2014 #2

You actually watch Rodgers video and see no mental illness at all? davidn3600 May 2014 #10

What contributed to his mental illness? Did misogynism? uppityperson May 2014 #14

Can you point to the mental illness phil89 May 2014 #17

Vast majority of mentally ill are not violent, but a tiny percentage of them are davidn3600 May 2014 #25

Because you assert that, it must be true? phil89 May 2014 #28

Whatever... davidn3600 May 2014 #31

That's my point. phil89 May 2014 #32

Are you suggesting that there's 'better' scientific evidence that 'misogyny' causes mass shootings brett_jv May 2014 #47

As an example, there's the 1989 Montreal shootings, which were specifically of women muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #107

You don't see the fact that you are spouting the NRA agenda with your claims Jamastiene May 2014 #139

AMEN laundry_queen May 2014 #144

Exactly! n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #147

Psychosis (and mental illness generally) doesn't preclude meticulous planning. X_Digger May 2014 #42

James Holmes of Aurora infamy was very disturbed and did a lot of advance planning steve2470 May 2014 #77

As My Advanced Abnormal Professor Said, On the Road May 2014 #64

"It takes a level of psychosis to go out with a gun and just start mowing random people down." yuiyoshida May 2014 #37

Umm, not to nitpick, but if that's what you think the military does / did.. you need to think again. X_Digger May 2014 #46

Not me, I am asking him... yuiyoshida May 2014 #50

Seems strange to introduce the military angle when the poster you replied to didn't mention it. X_Digger May 2014 #54

Its called the slippery slope... yuiyoshida May 2014 #57

Have you forgotten Vietnam, or Afganistan. or Iraq? AAO May 2014 #53

I have family and friends who served in all those places. X_Digger May 2014 #55

You need to study history - just use google. AAO May 2014 #59

Feel free to provide some evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support. n/t X_Digger May 2014 #60

Maybe others will. Good night. AAO May 2014 #61

Where's the psychosis? gwheezie May 2014 #108

You mean like the NRA talking points that someone MUST be mentally ill Jamastiene May 2014 #137

seeing a therapist is "mental illness"? CreekDog May 2014 #159

Yes. Under new rules, virtually anything can be considered a "mental illness." Look - Skip Intro May 2014 #166

Sure it can, but it's not the only thing. TreasonousBastard May 2014 #3

That seems to be pretty simple, really. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #4

+1 PotatoChip May 2014 #27

Well-said. arcane1 May 2014 #34

The impossible imaginary experiment aside, defacto7 May 2014 #101

Impossible imaginary experiment? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #102

Straw man. defacto7 May 2014 #104

Sorry, you don't really sound like wasting my time with. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #105

Don't you mean " Sorry, you don't really sound like defacto7 May 2014 #162

In short ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #158

I absolutely cannot figure it out. I don't think anyone who has been in these threads seaglass May 2014 #5

Because a lot of people can only think in binary terms. To be blunt, they're simpleminded idiots. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #82

So true. laundry_queen May 2014 #148

More that people are going at it with their own agendas Blue_Adept May 2014 #150

I'll be the first to acknowledge that it was a combination of many factors. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #164

Meanwhile... DURHAM D May 2014 #6

++++ Whisp May 2014 #13

+1 LiberalLoner May 2014 #41

In which case, we need to let the most blatant MRA-ish types know they're not welcome. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #83

THIS. redqueen May 2014 #40

Yep. You're right on this. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #58

God, so true. Starry Messenger May 2014 #62

This is a huge gap that alienates a lot of us. PeaceNikki May 2014 #65

They will, why? boston bean May 2014 #66

The allegation is that it's "whining about DU". PeaceNikki May 2014 #67

Asking why people feel a certain way is whining? WTF? boston bean May 2014 #68

I sincerely hope it's not. PeaceNikki May 2014 #69

I think it is only the OPs started by Uppity Women. nt DURHAM D May 2014 #70

I agree with you regarding the TOS but... DURHAM D May 2014 #71

Very much aware, yes. And I voice my displeasure about it often. Publicly and privately. PeaceNikki May 2014 #72

So "edumekaton" ain't working from the top down. DURHAM D May 2014 #73

It all stems from the same disregard for the rights of women. PeaceNikki May 2014 #75

Remember this from December of 2012? DURHAM D May 2014 #76

huh. no, I never saw that. PeaceNikki May 2014 #78

Totally agree. theHandpuppet May 2014 #90

There are a lot of openly liberalhistorian May 2014 #97

Amen to that!! theHandpuppet May 2014 #89

"Progressive" MadrasT May 2014 #110

+1000000 Jamastiene May 2014 #142

I even see the idea misogyny had nothing to do with it treestar May 2014 #7

can you point me to one of these posts? Doctor_J May 2014 #20

... treestar May 2014 #21

I stand corrected Doctor_J May 2014 #29

I don't think anyone can have everyone discuss what he or she wants at any given moment. aikoaiko May 2014 #8

How many are the same ones who object to discussion or privilege or try to minimize it? nt Lee-Lee May 2014 #9

A lot nt ismnotwasm May 2014 #12

If it were a Venn Diagram, it would pretty much be one circle. n/t JoeyT May 2014 #36

This! nomorenomore08 May 2014 #84

Yep, that's pretty much it. nt laundry_queen May 2014 #153

Why? Because certain people don't want to take a look in the mirror... YoungDemCA May 2014 #11

It really is shocking to me laundry_queen May 2014 #155

I see it as one of three factors - the one which will be most ignored Triana May 2014 #15

just like racism noiretextatique May 2014 #16

Misogyny? theHandpuppet May 2014 #18

Or maybe some see 25-30 OPs on misogyny over 3 days and think that's enough Doctor_J May 2014 #19

Why do people complain about threads they don't like? sufrommich May 2014 #22

There are a lot of posts objecting to the mentally ill characterization too treestar May 2014 #23

Did you know you can auto-trash by keyword? You should try it. n/t seaglass May 2014 #24

Given your post #29, it seems you have seen that it isn't enough. People ARE denying it. That's Squinch May 2014 #33

Quite a few amateur internet psychiatrists are confusing cause and effect Major Nikon May 2014 #51

^^^ This, right here. ^^^ 1000words May 2014 #74

I would agree, if it didn't fit into a larger pattern of targeted violence toward the female gender. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #85

So you are sure that effect matches the cause? Major Nikon May 2014 #87

All I know is there's a lot of senseless violence in this world that doesn't have to happen. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #88

You can say the same thing about pretty much all violence Major Nikon May 2014 #91

Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #131

that's my take, and the subject line of the op is silly Doctor_J May 2014 #154

Except it's not quite that disconnected jeff47 May 2014 #156

Which is still nothing more than trying to attach rationality to an irrational act Major Nikon May 2014 #160

If you are steering a crazy person then you are responsible for what they do. jeff47 May 2014 #165

As long as it's appropriately applied.. Slip_n_Slide May 2014 #26

I have an entire thread devoted to that subject. Laelth May 2014 #30

See? That's why I like the trash button. Squinch May 2014 #35

LOL. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #38

And BOY are they pissed off! I've seen 'bitches' posted about women TWICE redqueen May 2014 #39

It has gone that far recently on DU? Jamastiene May 2014 #143

It's a safe and welcoming place for brogressive women redqueen May 2014 #146

Well, if feminists would just shut their traps, men wouldn't have to act this way. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #43

Thanks, Gormy theHandpuppet May 2014 #125

Huh? We have seen about a bajillion threads in the past 24 hours or so about this topic quinnox May 2014 #44

no, they actually respond and prattle on about dictionary definitions, evo psch idiocy and bettyellen May 2014 #93

You expect this topic to be different than any other that involves gender? Major Nikon May 2014 #96

Because some just have the option of not thinking about it if they don't want to. The country's full ancianita May 2014 #45

I will be honest with you AAO May 2014 #48

5 of the 7 dead in the Elliot murders were men JJChambers May 2014 #49

Only because he couldn't get into the sorority house. PeaceNikki May 2014 #52

Pretty simple. Because in general they're asses who don't give a damn about misogyny. HERVEPA May 2014 #56

The word misogeny has been used a lot around here mindwalker_i May 2014 #63

... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #86

There IS some truth to that, unfortunately, at least as far as DU is concerned. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #95

The term radfems just bugs me mindwalker_i May 2014 #100

They're so emotional! betsuni May 2014 #79

Is there a reason you spelled gin.. gyn? boston bean May 2014 #80

It was a sort of pun BB tkmorris May 2014 #99

Yeah, it wasn't very funny betsuni May 2014 #106

Missed the last... phew nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #81

Not here in General Dudes anyway. Starry Messenger May 2014 #92

I've been paying attention, but I haven't seen that. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #94

I think that if you wanted an honest discussion you wouldnt have opened the discussion rhett o rick May 2014 #98

The antagonism you see is not there. It was a question. boston bean May 2014 #109

But of course. I misunderstood the insinuation behind your "question". Carry on. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #113

Yeah, you did. You got anything you want to add to the discussion boston bean May 2014 #115

Roger was a misogynist. defacto7 May 2014 #103

Why I'm not particularly interested in discussing it at DU... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #111

Well,thank you so much for so eloquently stating boston bean May 2014 #112

And you prove her point but not so eloquently. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #114

Didn't you just get through telling someone you were asking a genuine question without antagonism? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #116

yeah, I did. And you gave an answer and I responded. It's called a discussion. boston bean May 2014 #118

You attacked me for daring to give you an honest answer to yr question.. Violet_Crumble May 2014 #120

I don't agree with your honest answer. I did not attack you. boston bean May 2014 #122

You attacked me... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #123

You seem to hold yourself above poo flinging. boston bean May 2014 #124

Not at all. I used to run poo-flinging courses in the old I/P forum... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #126

In my question, it wasn't about what people think about posters on DU, which you provided. boston bean May 2014 #127

No, I told you why I avoid discussions about misogyny at DU... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #130

I attacked you. Please point to my exact crime, provide the verbiage, please. boston bean May 2014 #138

Ditto. Yep. Yup. randome May 2014 #119

^^Perfect example as to why the vast majority of DUers... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #134

It's a case of friendly fire Blue_Adept May 2014 #152

I so agree with you. It is very difficult to have a decent discussion about some issues here. rhett o rick May 2014 #117

Really, no attacking in your post? How about you try some of that conducive discussion you boston bean May 2014 #121

And I wont discuss this issue with you because In My Opinion rhett o rick May 2014 #133

Yep. Adding that if you don't agree... one_voice May 2014 #129

Gotta head off to bed now, but I agree with yr addition... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #132

No, I sit back and wonder why, you are attacking others whom boston bean May 2014 #135

Well BB, if it was only an opinion, one_voice May 2014 #140

.. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #128

For the same reason violence against women is not taken seriously in our society. Jamastiene May 2014 #136

Why do you care if "some don't want a discussion"? IronLionZion May 2014 #141

Hands up, who's surprised at how many people posted just to spew redqueen May 2014 #145

And yet, they keep starting thread after thread attempting to 'discuss' misogyny hootinholler May 2014 #149

These are my own reasons Armstead May 2014 #151

I've had a couple of days to think about this and his manifesto. It's misogyny. stevenleser May 2014 #157

What really vexes me are Totino's Pizza Rolls actually smaller now? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #161

You are not interested in discussion Egnever May 2014 #163