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beevul

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23. Sure it has a meaning.

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:11 PM

May 2014

Just one that carries no legal force, or restriction on individuals.

The operative restriction is on government.

“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”

Justice Robert H. Jackson of the Supreme Court 1943

The preamble to the bill of rights itself contains the same sentiments:

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

http://billofrights.org/

A vast majority of Americans agree with that, where amendment 2 is concerned.

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You are correct, gun legislation wont work... [View all] randys1 May 2014 OP

You can use the war on drugs as your model nt hack89 May 2014 #1

Ah yes Jimmy Carter's wonderful war on drugs warrant46 May 2014 #76

Don't you mean Richard Nixon?? Ghost in the Machine May 2014 #83

Thanks for the proper education to clear up my ignorance warrant46 May 2014 #92

yes, guns are just like drugs...it's impossible, I tell you, impossible! CTyankee May 2014 #97

More police, more police powers, more police abuse - it definitely can be done hack89 May 2014 #100

there you go again, hack. Maybe...just think outside the box of what we need here with this CTyankee May 2014 #103

There are many reasonable things we can do hack89 May 2014 #106

I know you don't support registration and an AWB. What DO you support? CTyankee May 2014 #125

UBCs, magazine size limits, gun owner licensing, storage laws - I support them all. hack89 May 2014 #127

excellent. what action are you taking to get these laws passed? CTyankee May 2014 #134

Voting for Dems. nt hack89 May 2014 #136

glad you do at least that. I'm relieved. CTyankee May 2014 #138

I am not a "me too" poster hack89 May 2014 #139

please don't misunderstand and don't also be condescending to your fellow DUers who have CTyankee May 2014 #140

You were mentioning not being condescending? hack89 May 2014 #141

oy, you interpret what i said as a condemnation ofyour liking to post gun threads. I said no such CTyankee May 2014 #142

ok nt hack89 May 2014 #143

Do you understand the Democratic party position on the 2A? hack89 May 2014 #2

Party positions are subject to change Hugabear May 2014 #4

if you want to eliminate firearms Abq_Sarah May 2014 #6

Nope...read the constitution, read the militia acts of 1792... joeybee12 May 2014 #7

I think I will read the party platform instead. Nt hack89 May 2014 #9

I have educated myself Abq_Sarah May 2014 #12

So the term "well regulated militia" has no meaning at all then? Hugabear May 2014 #14

Sure it has a meaning. beevul May 2014 #23

Nope, just enforce the Bill of Rights. nt valerief May 2014 #77

A party that changes with the times is a party not worth respecting derby378 May 2014 #10

Who's talking about "selling out" Hugabear May 2014 #13

Besides 2A, Sissyk May 2014 #107

I think our positions on race and homosexuality have evolved Hugabear May 2014 #147

I don't disagree that our positions on race and homosexuality Sissyk May 2014 #149

True, funny how lockstep is now demanded treestar May 2014 #69

Why? Our party nominated Clinton and Obama and we got them as Presidents... CTyankee May 2014 #101

Yep, and that same president appointed TWO Supreme Court justices who are AGAINST CTyankee May 2014 #98

Do you understand that the 2A and Heller are not what is stopping gun control? hack89 May 2014 #104

Public polling shows strong support for gun safety laws. CTyankee May 2014 #122

For some gun safety laws hack89 May 2014 #124

work with the NRA? CTyankee May 2014 #126

The NRA worked with congress after the Va Tech shooting hack89 May 2014 #128

I'm not insulting you and I hope we can find some common ground. CTyankee May 2014 #135

You have to pass the draconian gun laws before a future SCOTUS could uphold them. badtoworse May 2014 #105

In a Senate where the definition of a majority of a 100 member body is 60 votes... CTyankee May 2014 #123

The party should follow the members, not the other way around. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2014 #130

How do you know that they didn't? hack89 May 2014 #131

it does not matter PowerToThePeople May 2014 #133

We need to make pariahs out of gun owners. upaloopa May 2014 #3

You have a pretty big brush with which you are painting. Jenoch May 2014 #8

Yes it is the only way to get through to you upaloopa May 2014 #17

I think you'll have as much luck as Fred Phelps in getting your point across... NutmegYankee May 2014 #26

Normal decent people don't accumulate a bunch of guns or walk among us with guns. Hoyt May 2014 #51

So how do you feel about a picture released by Obama of him skeet shooting? Travis_0004 May 2014 #52

Bet it wasn't his gun, and it's not the kind of gun that has Hoyt May 2014 #53

I don't need help it is happening now because upaloopa May 2014 #61

Oh Really? NutmegYankee May 2014 #68

Good luck with that hack89 May 2014 #11

It has already started thanks to you upaloopa May 2014 #18

"Just you wait" the motto of gun control for 20 years hack89 May 2014 #19

I would hope gun fanciers would champion it. Hoyt May 2014 #54

I support reasonable gun control hack89 May 2014 #55

Not in a gunner paradigm sure. But sensible to the upaloopa May 2014 #60

Ok. Nt hack89 May 2014 #63

Why oppose registration? awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #64

Car registration is a taxation scheme not related to safety hack89 May 2014 #65

I quit playing 20 questions with gunners upaloopa May 2014 #59

Bansalot is more your speed - no dissent, no thought required. Nt hack89 May 2014 #62

2/3s of guns are bought by just 7% of the population Nevernose May 2014 #22

How can you know? Lurker Deluxe May 2014 #43

I agree...Americans are childish when it comes to guns randys1 May 2014 #44

Good luck in your endeavor. IronGate May 2014 #50

So... culture war against guns and their owners. krispos42 May 2014 #67

There is no culture war against guns and their owners. Hoyt May 2014 #70

And so all gun owners must be shunned. krispos42 May 2014 #108

To preserve your "right" to amass and carry guns, we have to put up with these tragedies. Hoyt May 2014 #114

And... deflection. krispos42 May 2014 #119

What law is being proposed that would have kept a gun out of his hands? Sissyk May 2014 #109

He bought three legally. Hoyt May 2014 #113

Yep Duckhunter935 May 2014 #115

Howsabout getting serious no matter how much you guys whine. Hoyt May 2014 #116

Howsabout answering his question? badtoworse May 2014 #117

just asking a question Duckhunter935 May 2014 #118

Thanks for the answer. Sissyk May 2014 #120

Open carry will do just that HockeyMom May 2014 #132

I think it will have to be an economic cost. Turbineguy May 2014 #5

That's not the way the 2nd Amendment is interpreted, though LittleBlue May 2014 #15

I wonder how many have died from gunshots since I posted this an hour ago randys1 May 2014 #16

Can't formulate a coherent thought oh NO. Nt hack89 May 2014 #20

Yeah, I am the one who wants to stop unecessary murder and I am incoherent randys1 May 2014 #25

So do I hack89 May 2014 #27

I am not at all special, it does not take a special person to observe that guns kill people randys1 May 2014 #30

And childish rants and cartoonish world views are not going to solve the problem either hack89 May 2014 #33

Take your insults elsewhere, I am a liberal, I only want to talk to other liberals randys1 May 2014 #36

Echo chambers are the incubator for real change? hack89 May 2014 #39

Nah, I just like talking to mature people who have outgrown their need for a toy that kills randys1 May 2014 #40

Got it. Nt hack89 May 2014 #42

How many have died in alcohol-related deaths? Adrahil May 2014 #21

Alcohol isnt designed to kill randys1 May 2014 #24

So the actual number of death is not the issue? hack89 May 2014 #28

What are you talking about? randys1 May 2014 #29

You dismiss alcohol related deaths even though it kills and harms just as many people as guns hack89 May 2014 #31

Dismiss? No i dismissed ALCOHOL because it is not DESIGNED to kill as guns are randys1 May 2014 #32

So accidental deaths are less important? Ok. Nt hack89 May 2014 #34

Pretty funny guy, making light of thousands of deaths each year with tools designed to kill randys1 May 2014 #35

Deaths are deaths. We should start at the top of the list of things that kill hack89 May 2014 #38

The CDC estimates 88,000 deaths attributed to excessive drinking annually. Adrahil May 2014 #58

I'm not sure that matters to people killed by the drunk. Adrahil May 2014 #57

Actually, 3 were with a knife. /nt pintobean May 2014 #37

You think he might have subdued them with his guns and used the knives to avoid noise? Hoyt May 2014 #71

Maybe he was a knife fancier. pintobean May 2014 #72

Nope, knives did not give him a sense of power. Hoyt May 2014 #73

It was a joke, Hoyt. /nt pintobean May 2014 #74

Oh, I laughed, but because it was another attempt by gunners to minimize this tragedy. Hoyt May 2014 #75

By stating a fact? pintobean May 2014 #80

Do we do all that we can to prevent highway deaths? upaloopa May 2014 #148

Good luck. You couldn't even get Democrats to repeal the second. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #41

And that is the problem randys1 May 2014 #45

Absolutely mwrguy May 2014 #46

You are definitely a good example of why gun ownership should not be universal. nt Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #47

Now that makes sense, the person who thinks guns are dangerous is the person who should NOT randys1 May 2014 #48

You're very funny Lurks Often May 2014 #49

LOL ! Ban crime if you think bans are the answer ! LOL ! ...... NM_Birder May 2014 #56

Nah, you guys are right, lets do next to nothing and your kids and my grandkids can continue to randys1 May 2014 #91

BAN EVERYTHING ! it's the only way to protect the kids. NM_Birder May 2014 #150

So, you're going for their guns. krispos42 May 2014 #66

No, we will not stop mocking you, you see people like me who dont have to answer to randys1 May 2014 #79

In your dictatorship going on in your own mind, Sissyk May 2014 #110

Right. It's time to enforce the Bill of Rights. valerief May 2014 #78

Comma Sissyk May 2014 #112

? valerief May 2014 #121

Can we blame you when Democrats become a permanent minority party? Taitertots May 2014 #81

So countries with little to no guns have high violent crime? randys1 May 2014 #82

No, there are countries with draconian gun laws that have high violent crime. Taitertots May 2014 #84

Now I am lost, i say no guns, and you wont have people dying from guns, you say that is wrong? randys1 May 2014 #86

You have not expressed a coherent plan to get to "no guns". Taitertots May 2014 #87

You are making statements as if they are fact, why dont you just say the following randys1 May 2014 #88

Why don't you come up with a coherent plan to get what you want? Then we can discuss it's merits Taitertots May 2014 #89

Again with the allegation as if it was fact... randys1 May 2014 #90

What is your plan when millions of people don't want to do that? Taitertots May 2014 #93

What did we do when millions didnt want to get rid of slavery? randys1 May 2014 #94

You don't have a coherent plan for the millions of people who won't do what you want Taitertots May 2014 #95

He has lots of plans Lurks Often May 2014 #99

So we should go to war.. Killing people... To reduce violence? IoNP May 2014 #96

You're not even selling your plan here. badtoworse May 2014 #102

You mean like Canada? CTyankee May 2014 #146

Ban teh GUNZ!!!!11!11 aikoaiko May 2014 #85

As a gun owner I breathe a giant sigh of relief when I see "eliminate ALL guns" aikoaiko May 2014 #111

Agreed, like a child, when you tell them you want to take their dangerous toy from them randys1 May 2014 #137

The NRA likes it too badtoworse May 2014 #144

Agreed, adult/responsible thinking like mine will ALWAYS cause childish people like NRA members randys1 May 2014 #145

I agree. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2014 #129