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138. the usual MRA suspects who throw an absolute hissy fit any time misogyny is discussed.

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:15 PM

May 2014

and who insist there is no widespread sexism while constantly telling women to shut up.

Sadly, not all of them have migrated to discussionist

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Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Elliott Rodger Hated Women? [View all] PeaceNikki May 2014 OP

I think the argument is more about why than what. nt Xipe Totec May 2014 #1

the why is more than likely meglomania big_dog May 2014 #105

That's one of the assessments Xipe Totec May 2014 #114

The why is more likely related to paranoid schizophrenia, the first symptoms of which pnwmom May 2014 #154

I did not know, but had suspected that about early symptoms. bettyellen May 2014 #248

Added to that (schizophrenia symptoms).... bloom May 2014 #261

and this is why i have monitored my oldest this last year. you are right on, with all those counts. seabeyond May 2014 #262

It's not an easy thing to keep the lines of communication open at a distance. pnwmom May 2014 #264

i was blessed (do not like tho use that word) lucky, .... htat son talks. and talks and talks and seabeyond May 2014 #265

He hated everybody because he was so fucking awesome and NOBODY saw that in him snooper2 May 2014 #2

he was a misogynist, first and foremost. PeaceNikki May 2014 #4

because hating womein is acceptable? noiretextatique May 2014 #8

yes, yes, yes, Borchkins May 2014 #12

No, he was a malignant narcissist, first and foremost. He was definitely a misogynist, but I see winter is coming May 2014 #16

mmm hmmm. PeaceNikki May 2014 #18

Well, that was substantive. winter is coming May 2014 #21

Somehow I don't think you'll get an answer Major Nikon May 2014 #41

Let's keep a tally on the "crazed acts of violence based on gender" you're so concerned about.... bettyellen May 2014 #61

indeed noiretextatique May 2014 #69

well one crazy lady talked about killing the menz 40 years ago, and since then..... bettyellen May 2014 #97

No blow! Geez... deurbano May 2014 #74

I'm so concerned I've started dozens of threads on the subject just in the last few days Major Nikon May 2014 #78

you're so concerned about gender issues, you show up on every single thread to tell women bettyellen May 2014 #96

Sing it, sister. PeaceNikki May 2014 #98

Tra la fucking laaaaa! bettyellen May 2014 #99

Pot/Kettle Major Nikon May 2014 #110

yes, there are about six constantly derailing- we know. we are quite familiar with all of you... bettyellen May 2014 #133

The same options exist for you Major Nikon May 2014 #189

It's so cute - you trying soo hard to hurt my feelings with insults! bettyellen May 2014 #192

That is why the ones who derail these conversations, Jamastiene May 2014 #162

the logical fallacy robots who think evo-psych is real science? bettyellen May 2014 #198

ah. and then that is what discussionist is for them. they can talk about the mean feminist that seabeyond May 2014 #204

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ redqueen May 2014 #239

why, thank you! bettyellen May 2014 #254

LOL ismnotwasm May 2014 #62

Sure, Andy lived Major Nikon May 2014 #103

You know, the only time I ever see mention of this woman or her work thucythucy May 2014 #134

Richard Speck. David Berkowitz. The Boston Strangler. Exactly. bettyellen May 2014 #137

You always say what I mean to say thucythucy May 2014 #139

I was quoting YOU, my friend. Wonderful post- every word of it! bettyellen May 2014 #142

"Pretending the scales are even is a fucking joke." thucythucy May 2014 #145

what is mine is yours, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #155

Perhaps you just haven't ran across it Major Nikon May 2014 #185

Which web page would that be? thucythucy May 2014 #208

way back when, when we were pulling out all kinds of feminists, from forever to recent, seabeyond May 2014 #219

Thanks for the DU history lesson. thucythucy May 2014 #227

the second. i believe. that was like three years ago. i need to put her back up in hof. seabeyond May 2014 #229

actually, i did not even read majors posts. i was answering cause i was reading you gals. seabeyond May 2014 #230

Thanks again. thucythucy May 2014 #232

me, too. nt seabeyond May 2014 #233

she was trying to get Andy Warhol interested in her writing and angry he wrote her off bettyellen May 2014 #245

If you want me to defend every piece of misogyny ever written you are barking up the wrong tree Major Nikon May 2014 #252

Oh, snap! chervilant May 2014 #214

Misandry apologists? ismnotwasm May 2014 #251

If you want to contradict me, then do so Major Nikon May 2014 #253

If his misogyny hadn't existed, he would not have done the mass shootings. Jamastiene May 2014 #148

I haven't claimed that misogyny had no role in his actions. Obviously, it did. winter is coming May 2014 #175

No one has officially said what mental illness he may or may not have had. Jamastiene May 2014 #194

I'm guessing "personality disorder" as opposed to a mental illness like schizophrenia. winter is coming May 2014 #197

I do too. Jamastiene May 2014 #206

He was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic, pnwmom May 2014 #161

That has not been reported anywhere. PeaceNikki May 2014 #163

What HAS been reported is that he was never diagnosed with autism, pnwmom May 2014 #165

Whatever mental illness he may have had, it does not make his hateful rhetoric meaningless. PeaceNikki May 2014 #166

It's no more silly for me than for anyone else to accuse him of just being evil. pnwmom May 2014 #174

I have seen it claimed elsewhere on DU that he did *not* suffer from auditory hallucinations. winter is coming May 2014 #182

No one here can claim they know he did NOT. It hasn't been proven that he did, either. pnwmom May 2014 #242

Agreed. He was fueld by hatred... one_voice May 2014 #213

In the strict definition of the term, he was indeed a Misogynist wercal May 2014 #31

definition of misogyny. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. seabeyond May 2014 #33

OK wercal May 2014 #46

i always thought it ... hatred toward women. a lot of dictionaries have that definition. seabeyond May 2014 #47

Excellent post. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #76

That's it. He was however taught to hate. His susceptibility is at question. Was he mentally weak? The Wielding Truth May 2014 #247

True. He was a major jerk, for one thing. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #5

A misogynistic jerk. You can say it. It's OK to say it. PeaceNikki May 2014 #10

That's my take as well malaise May 2014 #34

Did he say everybody was the source of all unfairness and should be exterminated? redqueen May 2014 #43

I don't know, I've seen people dance around that all day long in OPs. Rex May 2014 #3

It's frickin' weird. Squinch May 2014 #113

K&R /nt myrna minx May 2014 #6

Because then they may need to concede that misogyny is a problem, which geek tragedy May 2014 #7

Bingo! johnp3907 May 2014 #14

Correct. Whisp May 2014 #17

Yep, that's exactly it. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #20

Around here and around the world. nt redqueen May 2014 #25

Well I know misogngy is a problem malaise May 2014 #36

most misogynists are not psychologically well-adjusted people geek tragedy May 2014 #54

Please read the entire piece I linked in the OP. It's pretty powerful. PeaceNikki May 2014 #56

+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #93

It's pretty clear to me Keefer May 2014 #9

Yes, that was also fueled by his misogyny. PeaceNikki May 2014 #11

True, he killed his roommates to get them out of the way so he could torture women. Rex May 2014 #26

Because anything done to women must be explained away. Because... freshwest May 2014 #13

Its pretty clear he had a deranged hatred of women etherealtruth May 2014 #15

It is women's duty to 'put out' for creeps like that Whisp May 2014 #19

Well, yeah isn't that why women are on earth ... etherealtruth May 2014 #22

I read in his manifesto SummerSnow May 2014 #38

I am not sure there is a word etherealtruth May 2014 #39

And yet still some here argue that he didn't hate women in particular. redqueen May 2014 #48

I don't see anyone reasonably arguing that he wasn't misogynistic; it would take an extreme... Shandris May 2014 #23

Reading a lot of the tweets about it this weekend... Blue_Adept May 2014 #28

I don't think it's that all women fear all men all the time. That *would* be over the top. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #71

We can split hairs all we want, but I don't see how one can reasonably deny we have a problem. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #65

Oh, theres no denying there's a problem! I sure wouldn't say that at all. Shandris May 2014 #127

We all have good and bad in us. And nearly all of us have at least the potential for good deeds - nomorenomore08 May 2014 #190

Rodgers once saved his younger half brother from drowning. Jamastiene May 2014 #200

Even the worst people on Earth can still have some capacity for good. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #203

That is true. n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #240

They don't want to see the misogyny that permeates our society. hunter May 2014 #24

oh strawmen how I love thee Egnever May 2014 #27

I have noticed ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #59

And I have noticed Egnever May 2014 #80

WTF are you talking about? PeaceNikki May 2014 #84

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #89

Once again a strawman Egnever May 2014 #95

Frankly ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #129

How is the OP or the article linked to a "straw man" argument? nt thucythucy May 2014 #115

People on DU like to use that every time they disagree with something. PeaceNikki May 2014 #116

Weird indeed. thucythucy May 2014 #117

he also made some weird accusation that I called him a "deviant" or something. PeaceNikki May 2014 #118

I saw that as well. thucythucy May 2014 #123

But isn't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #173

for sure. PeaceNikki May 2014 #180

Which only proves they haven't a clear understanding... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #183

Exactly. PeaceNikki May 2014 #184

Who has a problem admitting this? The issue is not his hatred for women... Demo_Chris May 2014 #29

who else has encompassed PeaceNikki May 2014 #35

it appears by this very post, you have a problem admitting this. nt seabeyond May 2014 #37

No, he's just pointing out a difference of opinion MannyGoldstein May 2014 #44

no. thru out the post he took it away from misogyny and excuse in every way.... and at no seabeyond May 2014 #50

"Who has a problem admitting this?" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #52

yes. he clearly says, who has a problem admitting. and then shows us what a challenge it is for him seabeyond May 2014 #55

I see nothing indicating it's challenge for him to admit Rodgers hated women MannyGoldstein May 2014 #57

and i see a whole post of his that answers his first question. seabeyond May 2014 #64

There is some evidence for this, Manny. Maedhros May 2014 #102

I don't disagree. Some of those folks spew evil stuff MannyGoldstein May 2014 #106

Sorry to see you splitting hairs. GeorgeGist May 2014 #111

It's not splitting hairs. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #124

Acknowledged. Maedhros May 2014 #126

The disagreement is over whether misogynism played a part in these deaths, and many others.... bettyellen May 2014 #152

"Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Elliott Rodger Hated Women?" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #168

There's more to the OP and the article linked in it than the title, also. PeaceNikki May 2014 #172

this thread is about the refusal (of some) to put this in a cultural context, instead of pretending bettyellen May 2014 #178

Not at all, the psycho hated women. He hated them (and everyone else) so much... Demo_Chris May 2014 #195

ya. see. it is clear what you did there. seabeyond May 2014 #199

He was in communication with and motivated by an organized misogynist movement. LeftyMom May 2014 #40

man hating bitches, on this one. not uppity. man hating. seabeyond May 2014 #51

+1 Starry Messenger May 2014 #81

+2 TDale313 May 2014 #92

+1 RetroLounge May 2014 #109

He wasn't part of any organized movement LTR May 2014 #236

Racists are fuckups too. Nobody said he was part of a well-run movement full of smart people. LeftyMom May 2014 #241

So you think in terms of "who is the enemy"? LTR May 2014 #243

People who loathe women are a threat to my physical well-being. LeftyMom May 2014 #244

"...encompass as many men as possible in the circle of blame." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #72

it's fucking twisted- to even approach this subject with "concerns" about man hating.... bettyellen May 2014 #169

Anything to exempt oneself from any responsibility to the world whatsoever, right? How libertarian. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #191

Half the derailers have parroted MRA, evo-psych bullshit again and agan- so they are now invested bettyellen May 2014 #193

And if they want to hang on to bizarre or stupid beliefs, then whatever, we can't stop them. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #196

well. there in lies the problems. until the shit is spouted off to some other pathetic young man seabeyond May 2014 #207

I have no illusions about being able, individually, to change anyone's mind. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #209

ha. that is kinda funny cause brave just said something that was a eye opener for me seabeyond May 2014 #215

I absolutely agree. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #220

so, you'd rather not talk about racial motivations of Nazis too? But its fine to discuss how you bettyellen May 2014 #121

Why are the horrific crimes/acts of ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #179

I cannot answer without knowing what the PoC is. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #202

People of Color. bravenak May 2014 #205

point. ouch. see. lesson learned. not that i have said it, but... i have not connected those dots seabeyond May 2014 #211

The l words scare some people. bravenak May 2014 #216

it is an EXCELLENT question. yes do. keep asking. nt seabeyond May 2014 #222

Okay, but first your original question... Demo_Chris May 2014 #228

So racism. bravenak May 2014 #231

they might have to acknowledge, there is indeed, a problem. and they fight hard to deny that seabeyond May 2014 #30

or they don't care Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #218

well. didnt you jsut put me and all women in our place. you da man. lookin' like all that. seabeyond May 2014 #223

Yeah, that's it. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #224

cool. seabeyond May 2014 #226

Maybe they need small words and diagrams... Starry Messenger May 2014 #32

Right, there were a few specific men he wanted to kill, but he wanted ALL women dead. PeaceNikki May 2014 #66

I agree. When a man tells you who he is, believe him. WinkyDink May 2014 #42

Truer words were never spoken n/t shanti May 2014 #147

Yes he hated women. He hated everyone. alphafemale May 2014 #45

He certainly hated women but his hate wasn't relegated solely to women cali May 2014 #49

A misogynistic psychopath/sociopath. PeaceNikki May 2014 #53

There were a very few specific males he wanted dead. But he wanted ALL women dead. PeaceNikki May 2014 #67

K & R SunSeeker May 2014 #58

I don't think anybody disagrees that he was a misogynist Demobrat May 2014 #60

Did you read the whole article linked in the OP? PeaceNikki May 2014 #63

Yes I did. Demobrat May 2014 #156

weird. I don't recall saying it was. or where the article did, either. PeaceNikki May 2014 #158

Yes, that seems clear treestar May 2014 #68

He hated himself more than anyone LTR May 2014 #70

Spot on. n/t Laelth May 2014 #87

So, he didn't hate women enough for you? Okay.... bettyellen May 2014 #101

Don't put words in peoples' mouths LTR May 2014 #217

then don't minimize his hatred of women. it was the focus of his writings. bettyellen May 2014 #235

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #237

The fact we need to admit women are viewed as objects proves there's a problem flashbang May 2014 #73

great post. thank you so much for your input. PeaceNikki May 2014 #75

If he thought women were chattels, why didn't he go to the store and buy one? Laelth May 2014 #91

he had the bizarre idea that every woman he saw was fucking the man standing next to her.... bettyellen May 2014 #160

I agree that he had warped ideas. Laelth May 2014 #256

he did not go buy one cause he is a coward. he was afraid of sex. he was afraid of women. seabeyond May 2014 #258

Many men are arfraid of women, whether they admit it or not. Laelth May 2014 #260

he seemed to envy and want whatever he saw other people had or wanted -nothing seemed to be original bettyellen May 2014 #263

Excellent post. redqueen May 2014 #246

He was a "nice guy" who bought into the girls only like jerks myth TexasBushwhacker May 2014 #77

Except he wasn't a "nice guy" or a nice guy ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #88

Yes, I get the impression that he really had no friends, male or female n/t TexasBushwhacker May 2014 #108

He wasn't a nice guy LTR May 2014 #221

That guy didn't like anybody IkeRepublican May 2014 #79

There were a very few specific males he wanted dead. But he wanted ALL women dead. PeaceNikki May 2014 #82

He was an un-medicated paranoid schizophrenic at the height of the disease ecstatic May 2014 #83

Whatever mental illness he may have had, it does not make his hateful rhetoric meaningless. PeaceNikki May 2014 #90

it wasn't meaningless, but it wasn't the direct cause of his killing spree. ecstatic May 2014 #131

nope H2O Man May 2014 #125

KnR Hekate May 2014 #85

Of course Roger secondvariety May 2014 #86

Rodger, Elliot hated sexually active men as well JJChambers May 2014 #94

yet planned mainly to massacre women-who were lucky enough not to trust strange men and survived! bettyellen May 2014 #100

He slaughtered twice as many men than women JJChambers May 2014 #128

his plan was to mass murder a whole sorority of women. not interested in facts though, eh? bettyellen May 2014 #130

I am not disputing the fact that he hated women JJChambers May 2014 #141

and he planned to murder more women? Because he did. bettyellen May 2014 #144

Yes, he planned to murder a sorority of women JJChambers May 2014 #150

hated women because he disagreed they should have any sexual autonomy. bettyellen May 2014 #153

He said, "There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female." redqueen May 2014 #249

Indeed. He hated women. JJChambers May 2014 #250

Rodgers sounded just like some others we know who hate women... Triana May 2014 #104

Michelle Dean is right. Brigid May 2014 #107

I don't know if most men can truly conceptualize what this is like. PeaceNikki May 2014 #112

It is self-evident. Who is disputing this? Throd May 2014 #119

Lots of people. Read the article linked in OP. PeaceNikki May 2014 #120

same half dozen dudes here- plus a few too many thousand like minded women haters on the net. bettyellen May 2014 #135

the usual MRA suspects who throw an absolute hissy fit any time misogyny is discussed. geek tragedy May 2014 #138

And the trench coat mafia hated cool kids so what? Gun are the issue guns are what killed Exultant Democracy May 2014 #122

funny comment from one of the men who try to silence critiques of misogyny around here. geek tragedy May 2014 #132

Gravedancing is gravdancing and it is always revolting. Jerry Falwell would approve. Exultant Democracy May 2014 #164

calling out misogyny is revolting to people who don't want it discussed, ever, here. geek tragedy May 2014 #167

Well said. PeaceNikki May 2014 #170

Well said. H2O Man May 2014 #171

I'll add another "Well said." johnp3907 May 2014 #201

thank you geek. you are the best. nt seabeyond May 2014 #238

Stealing some of this because it's --> Beautifully put! X 1000000 bettyellen May 2014 #255

oh SNAP. you got his number, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #234

I would say any guy who dreamed of starting his own form of fascist government, Jamastiene May 2014 #136

Yes, he absolutely did. H2O Man May 2014 #140

he was a mentally ill misogynist, end of story steve2470 May 2014 #143

I'd venture to guess most, if not all, misogynists are mentally ill. It's not normal. PeaceNikki May 2014 #146

I would agree about the severe ones steve2470 May 2014 #151

I am strongly of the opinion that very few men proportional to society are misogynists. PeaceNikki May 2014 #157

"Psychosis" is a H2O Man May 2014 #159

yes I understand all that steve2470 May 2014 #176

The manifesto all H2O Man May 2014 #186

He definitely hated women with a fervor. herding cats May 2014 #149

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #177

mmm hmmm. PeaceNikki May 2014 #181

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #188

Over this self-absorbed murderer. I'm open to discussions about the victims. maced666 May 2014 #187

i think because these people sympathize with the things he was saying JI7 May 2014 #210

Yes, I read here how it's an example of "male suffering". PeaceNikki May 2014 #212

cnn, msnbc, fox, local papers. read any comment section on the net and you hear massive amounts of seabeyond May 2014 #225

Denial CFLDem May 2014 #257

A lot to digest in all of his writings and videos, but no question misogyny was his defining stevenleser May 2014 #259

Indeed flashbang May 2014 #266