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ProSense

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21. You know

Reply to dawg (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 09:04 PM

Dec 2011

"It seems clear to me, from what you posted, that the administration claims detention authority from the AUMF. Does that extend to US citizens? Show me where it does not."

...a lot of people have been claiming that the new bill authorizes indefinite detention of U.S. citizens; that the law gives the President the authority to arrest Americans on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial.

Now that it's clear that it's codifying existing law, specifically stating that nothing changes, suddenly the claim is that Obama has always asserted the right to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens in the manner above.

Here is the President's claim of authority

http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/memo-re-det-auth.pdf

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NDAA FAQ: A Guide for the Perplexed [View all] ProSense Dec 2011 OP

Not enough Greenwald style hysteria. phleshdef Dec 2011 #1

You think Greenwald's continued mistaken conclusions are arrived at in good faith? great white snark Dec 2011 #7

Hehe, I'm not really sure if they are or not. phleshdef Dec 2011 #10

have proof he is mistaken and being dishonest intentionally? fascisthunter Dec 2011 #14

Oh good--I'm NOT the only person on the planet who's actually READ the language. TheWraith Dec 2011 #2

Before the revisions, it apparently would have *required* the President to detain U.S. citizens ... dawg Dec 2011 #3

US citizens were exempted. Problem was, it would have required ANYONE be detained by the military. TheWraith Dec 2011 #6

I dont' think it's accurate to say U.S. citizens are exempted. dawg Dec 2011 #9

The ONLY circumstances are if said individual is found to be working for Al-Qaeda or planning an FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #11

You mean "accused" of doing those things, planning those things. dawg Dec 2011 #15

No, ProSense Dec 2011 #12

The lengthy passage you cite doesn't say what you claim. dawg Dec 2011 #13

No ProSense Dec 2011 #18

Show me a simple quote where the President says ... dawg Dec 2011 #19

You know ProSense Dec 2011 #21

That link is to a 12 page document dealing with Gitmo. dawg Dec 2011 #22

What do you think of Lawfare? What do you know about them? bigtree Dec 2011 #4

What I'm reading here makes the bill look VILE, UTTERLY INAPPROPRIATE, and typical for Bush saras Dec 2011 #5

Problem is that by signing this law, Obama will be ratifying JDPriestly Dec 2011 #8

So whatever's in the USA PATRIOT Act goes? Octafish Dec 2011 #16

Wow, a sober analysis!!! JoePhilly Dec 2011 #17

Sorry, you can put lipstick on a pig all you want fascisthunter Dec 2011 #20