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In reply to the discussion: Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Elliott Rodger Hated Women? [View all]Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)228. Okay, but first your original question...
Your question in bold:
"Why are the horrific crimes/acts of white males, always individual acts; but those of PoC, emblematic of cultural dysfunction?"
That's a great question. I imagine it really annoys you when the crimes of individuals are assumed to be symptomatic of PoC cultural dysfunction. One would then hope that you would take this experience and reject similar arguments when that silly broad brush is applied to other demographics. In this case a lone psychopath went on a murderous rampage. Some, like ghoulish carpenters, are trying to build a house on the corpses, claiming that the actions of this maniac are evidence of male cultural dysfunction.
"...people say the black community needs to works on black on black crime.
Why don't we also say that the white community needs to work on racism and white on white crime?
I'd love an answer."
Two answers. The first is individual and cultural racism. The second is the relative percentage of criminals (serving time) within the two communities -- which provides ammunition for statements of that type. I can also answer for myself as an individual. I believe that ALL of us, as individuals and groups, need to work on all of these issues.
In any case, this loser is not worth either of our time or attention, so I will leave you with the last word.
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Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Elliott Rodger Hated Women? [View all]
PeaceNikki
May 2014
OP
The why is more likely related to paranoid schizophrenia, the first symptoms of which
pnwmom
May 2014
#154
and this is why i have monitored my oldest this last year. you are right on, with all those counts.
seabeyond
May 2014
#262
i was blessed (do not like tho use that word) lucky, .... htat son talks. and talks and talks and
seabeyond
May 2014
#265
He hated everybody because he was so fucking awesome and NOBODY saw that in him
snooper2
May 2014
#2
No, he was a malignant narcissist, first and foremost. He was definitely a misogynist, but I see
winter is coming
May 2014
#16
Let's keep a tally on the "crazed acts of violence based on gender" you're so concerned about....
bettyellen
May 2014
#61
well one crazy lady talked about killing the menz 40 years ago, and since then.....
bettyellen
May 2014
#97
I'm so concerned I've started dozens of threads on the subject just in the last few days
Major Nikon
May 2014
#78
you're so concerned about gender issues, you show up on every single thread to tell women
bettyellen
May 2014
#96
yes, there are about six constantly derailing- we know. we are quite familiar with all of you...
bettyellen
May 2014
#133
ah. and then that is what discussionist is for them. they can talk about the mean feminist that
seabeyond
May 2014
#204
way back when, when we were pulling out all kinds of feminists, from forever to recent,
seabeyond
May 2014
#219
the second. i believe. that was like three years ago. i need to put her back up in hof.
seabeyond
May 2014
#229
actually, i did not even read majors posts. i was answering cause i was reading you gals.
seabeyond
May 2014
#230
she was trying to get Andy Warhol interested in her writing and angry he wrote her off
bettyellen
May 2014
#245
If you want me to defend every piece of misogyny ever written you are barking up the wrong tree
Major Nikon
May 2014
#252
I haven't claimed that misogyny had no role in his actions. Obviously, it did.
winter is coming
May 2014
#175
I'm guessing "personality disorder" as opposed to a mental illness like schizophrenia.
winter is coming
May 2014
#197
Whatever mental illness he may have had, it does not make his hateful rhetoric meaningless.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#166
It's no more silly for me than for anyone else to accuse him of just being evil.
pnwmom
May 2014
#174
I have seen it claimed elsewhere on DU that he did *not* suffer from auditory hallucinations.
winter is coming
May 2014
#182
No one here can claim they know he did NOT. It hasn't been proven that he did, either.
pnwmom
May 2014
#242
definition of misogyny. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
seabeyond
May 2014
#33
i always thought it ... hatred toward women. a lot of dictionaries have that definition.
seabeyond
May 2014
#47
That's it. He was however taught to hate. His susceptibility is at question. Was he mentally weak?
The Wielding Truth
May 2014
#247
Did he say everybody was the source of all unfairness and should be exterminated?
redqueen
May 2014
#43
True, he killed his roommates to get them out of the way so he could torture women.
Rex
May 2014
#26
I don't see anyone reasonably arguing that he wasn't misogynistic; it would take an extreme...
Shandris
May 2014
#23
I don't think it's that all women fear all men all the time. That *would* be over the top.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#71
We can split hairs all we want, but I don't see how one can reasonably deny we have a problem.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#65
We all have good and bad in us. And nearly all of us have at least the potential for good deeds -
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#190
he also made some weird accusation that I called him a "deviant" or something.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#118
no. thru out the post he took it away from misogyny and excuse in every way.... and at no
seabeyond
May 2014
#50
yes. he clearly says, who has a problem admitting. and then shows us what a challenge it is for him
seabeyond
May 2014
#55
I see nothing indicating it's challenge for him to admit Rodgers hated women
MannyGoldstein
May 2014
#57
The disagreement is over whether misogynism played a part in these deaths, and many others....
bettyellen
May 2014
#152
this thread is about the refusal (of some) to put this in a cultural context, instead of pretending
bettyellen
May 2014
#178
Not at all, the psycho hated women. He hated them (and everyone else) so much...
Demo_Chris
May 2014
#195
He was in communication with and motivated by an organized misogynist movement.
LeftyMom
May 2014
#40
Racists are fuckups too. Nobody said he was part of a well-run movement full of smart people.
LeftyMom
May 2014
#241
it's fucking twisted- to even approach this subject with "concerns" about man hating....
bettyellen
May 2014
#169
Anything to exempt oneself from any responsibility to the world whatsoever, right? How libertarian.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#191
Half the derailers have parroted MRA, evo-psych bullshit again and agan- so they are now invested
bettyellen
May 2014
#193
And if they want to hang on to bizarre or stupid beliefs, then whatever, we can't stop them.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#196
well. there in lies the problems. until the shit is spouted off to some other pathetic young man
seabeyond
May 2014
#207
I have no illusions about being able, individually, to change anyone's mind.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#209
ha. that is kinda funny cause brave just said something that was a eye opener for me
seabeyond
May 2014
#215
so, you'd rather not talk about racial motivations of Nazis too? But its fine to discuss how you
bettyellen
May 2014
#121
point. ouch. see. lesson learned. not that i have said it, but... i have not connected those dots
seabeyond
May 2014
#211
they might have to acknowledge, there is indeed, a problem. and they fight hard to deny that
seabeyond
May 2014
#30
well. didnt you jsut put me and all women in our place. you da man. lookin' like all that.
seabeyond
May 2014
#223
Right, there were a few specific men he wanted to kill, but he wanted ALL women dead.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#66
There were a very few specific males he wanted dead. But he wanted ALL women dead.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#67
The fact we need to admit women are viewed as objects proves there's a problem
flashbang
May 2014
#73
he had the bizarre idea that every woman he saw was fucking the man standing next to her....
bettyellen
May 2014
#160
he did not go buy one cause he is a coward. he was afraid of sex. he was afraid of women.
seabeyond
May 2014
#258
he seemed to envy and want whatever he saw other people had or wanted -nothing seemed to be original
bettyellen
May 2014
#263
Yes, I get the impression that he really had no friends, male or female n/t
TexasBushwhacker
May 2014
#108
There were a very few specific males he wanted dead. But he wanted ALL women dead.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#82
Whatever mental illness he may have had, it does not make his hateful rhetoric meaningless.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#90
yet planned mainly to massacre women-who were lucky enough not to trust strange men and survived!
bettyellen
May 2014
#100
his plan was to mass murder a whole sorority of women. not interested in facts though, eh?
bettyellen
May 2014
#130
He said, "There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female."
redqueen
May 2014
#249
same half dozen dudes here- plus a few too many thousand like minded women haters on the net.
bettyellen
May 2014
#135
the usual MRA suspects who throw an absolute hissy fit any time misogyny is discussed.
geek tragedy
May 2014
#138
And the trench coat mafia hated cool kids so what? Gun are the issue guns are what killed
Exultant Democracy
May 2014
#122
funny comment from one of the men who try to silence critiques of misogyny around here.
geek tragedy
May 2014
#132
Gravedancing is gravdancing and it is always revolting. Jerry Falwell would approve.
Exultant Democracy
May 2014
#164
calling out misogyny is revolting to people who don't want it discussed, ever, here.
geek tragedy
May 2014
#167
I would say any guy who dreamed of starting his own form of fascist government,
Jamastiene
May 2014
#136
I'd venture to guess most, if not all, misogynists are mentally ill. It's not normal.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#146
I am strongly of the opinion that very few men proportional to society are misogynists.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#157
cnn, msnbc, fox, local papers. read any comment section on the net and you hear massive amounts of
seabeyond
May 2014
#225
A lot to digest in all of his writings and videos, but no question misogyny was his defining
stevenleser
May 2014
#259