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In reply to the discussion: EXCLUSIVE: Edward Snowden Tells Brian Williams: 'I Was Trained as a Spy' [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)22. In rebuttal
(1) His claim was that he could "wiretap" the President IF he had Obama's personal email. And XKeyscore was the tool that he could have used.
But training materials for XKeyscore detail how analysts can use it and other systems to mine enormous agency databases by filling in a simple on-screen form giving only a broad justification for the search. The request is not reviewed by a court or any NSA personnel before it is processed.
XKeyscore, the documents boast, is the NSA's "widest reaching" system developing intelligence from computer networks what the agency calls Digital Network Intelligence (DNI). One presentation claims the program covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet", including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as their metadata.
Analysts can also use XKeyscore and other NSA systems to obtain ongoing "real-time" interception of an individual's internet activity.
Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a 'US person', though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.
XKeyscore, the documents boast, is the NSA's "widest reaching" system developing intelligence from computer networks what the agency calls Digital Network Intelligence (DNI). One presentation claims the program covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet", including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as their metadata.
Analysts can also use XKeyscore and other NSA systems to obtain ongoing "real-time" interception of an individual's internet activity.
Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a 'US person', though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
(2) There is no reason not to believe him. He had Tor and EFF stickers on his computers. He held a public crypto party in Hawaii. His coworkers admitted that he talked openly about Constitutional violations. I also find it laughable that Booz Allen and the government have not made specific denials about this claim. Likely, because they are concerned that doing so would come back to slap them in the face if Snowden or Greenwald are sitting on evidence that he had made specific complaints.
(3) One of his coworkers came forward (albeit anonymously) and said that no one was tricked but rather, his superiors gave him the keys.
(4) The U.S. army confirmed to the Guardian that Snowden enlisted for special forces.
The US army has confirmed an aspect of surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden's military service to the Guardian.
As Snowden told the Guardian in announcing his responsibility for detailing multiple mass surveillance efforts by the National Security Agency sweeping up Americans' communications data, he indeed tried to join the elite special forces.
His attempt was unsuccessful.
"His records indicate he enlisted in the army reserve as a special forces recruit (18X) on 7 May 2004 but was discharged 28 September 2004," the US army's chief civilian spokesman, George Wright, said by email on Monday. (In his Guardian interview, Snowden gave the year as 2003.)
"He did not complete any training or receive any awards," Wright added.
As Snowden told the Guardian in announcing his responsibility for detailing multiple mass surveillance efforts by the National Security Agency sweeping up Americans' communications data, he indeed tried to join the elite special forces.
His attempt was unsuccessful.
"His records indicate he enlisted in the army reserve as a special forces recruit (18X) on 7 May 2004 but was discharged 28 September 2004," the US army's chief civilian spokesman, George Wright, said by email on Monday. (In his Guardian interview, Snowden gave the year as 2003.)
"He did not complete any training or receive any awards," Wright added.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/10/edward-snowden-army-special-forces
(5) In his original missive to Greenwald he included his CIA ID number and his CIA alias. In the published version, that info is redacted. The CIA has been silent, as it should be, but the evidence exists. (Edited to add Vattel's info from below.)
The Defense Intelligence Agency confirmed to NBC News that Snowden, as a contractor, had spoken at three of their conferences. Two intelligence sources tell NBC that Snowden worked for the CIA at an overseas station in IT and communications.
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/exclusive-edward-snowden-tells-brian-williams-i-was-trained-spy-n115746
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EXCLUSIVE: Edward Snowden Tells Brian Williams: 'I Was Trained as a Spy' [View all]
ProSense
May 2014
OP
Given his neurological disorder, I would think he'd qualify for medical pardon, and certainly would
msanthrope
May 2014
#97
Late onset seizure disorder is what he claimed to his bosses at BAH. Must suck, not being able to
msanthrope
May 2014
#109
Actually, Sanders doesn't care about Snowden because it's the wrong discussion
anti partisan
May 2014
#66
What discredits him is his habit of saying things that are untrue. Less clear is whether
struggle4progress
May 2014
#9
Oh, I'm happy to have people question authority. And I've said for years here
struggle4progress
May 2014
#55
It is impossible to do the nitty-gritty without information. Snowden and Manning were the suppliers.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#62
It would be courteous of you to speak for yourself and not put words in my mouth
struggle4progress
May 2014
#78
So, Whistle Blowers are 'mentally ill' now? But Bush's loyal NSA spies are perfectly sane!
sabrina 1
May 2014
#114
The fact is that Snowden himself disclosed a late-onset seizure disorder that raises serious, and I
msanthrope
May 2014
#83
I used the term "neurological" not "mental." As you are the parent of an adult
msanthrope
May 2014
#102
I used "neurological" as opposed to "mental" precisely to avoid conflation. But there's no doubt
msanthrope
May 2014
#105
They are attributes anyone can freely assign him after witnessing his antics. He's a 'spy' now?
msanthrope
May 2014
#117
Just when we thought the smear attempts could not possibly sink lower or become more despicable...
woo me with science
May 2014
#115
Indeed--he not only disclosed it, he told his bosses at BAH he was flying to HK for
msanthrope
May 2014
#103
Lots of people have lied about Snowden. Snowden hasn't been caught lying.
DisgustipatedinCA
May 2014
#11
(1) There's no chance he had the ability to wiretap the president, as he claimed. If true,
struggle4progress
May 2014
#12
The 1997 Gingrich mobile phone call was captured on an ordinary police scanner; in the conversation
struggle4progress
May 2014
#25
Well, the Obama "loyalists" have to get in line behind the loyal Tigerbeat Snowdenistas.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#43
If you admit he would have gotten into trouble for doing so, you are also admitting
struggle4progress
May 2014
#38
Re 2: Stickers on his computer, and whatever parties he threw, are not on point
struggle4progress
May 2014
#30
So says the NSA. Proven liars. Whereas, Snowden's narrative stands up time after time.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#36
Be careful or you will commit yourself to the view that everyone except Snowden is a liar
struggle4progress
May 2014
#39
I really think you do not know what you are saying. Ft Benning is where special forc recruits train.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#40
Apparently, a GED is sufficient: From the US Army Special Forces recruitment criteria site
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#41
It's possible that requirements vary according to entry mode. This website suggests
struggle4progress
May 2014
#44
The coverage from even reputable media is often demonstrably wrong here:
struggle4progress
May 2014
#59
And, I pointed to an actual U.S. Army website that a GED is sufficient. Oh well.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#77
A-fucking-again. *IF* Snowden HAD THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS... *IF* *IF*
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#64
(4) The U.S. army confirmed to the Guardian that Snowden did not join the special forces.
baldguy
May 2014
#84
I have never heard "lectured at the academy" used as a synonym for "spoke at a conference"
struggle4progress
May 2014
#37
Example UC Berkeley's Lecture Series which is hosting a conference and invited
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#42
I know what the words mean. I'm telling you how they are commonly used
struggle4progress
May 2014
#45
Really. I go to lectures regularly at conferences and events at universities and otherwise.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#53
Poitras and Greenwald have his name and CIA ID #. The CIA refuses to comment.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#28
He was quite clear that he ruined his life *as he knew it* before he came forward as the leaker.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#50
I actually found the part about using a false name easy to believe. Every time I get an off-shored
Tanuki
May 2014
#80
Do you realize how foolish you look by mocking the idea that someone could be trained...
anti partisan
May 2014
#81
Now that's what I call "white male privelege". From high school dropout to "super secret black ops"!
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#121
Right...because this is a Hollywood movie where a high-school dropout who could not
msanthrope
May 2014
#110
I think this could only happen for a white, male, child of privilege who dropped out of school.
kelliekat44
May 2014
#87
Glenn Greenwald: Low-Level NSA Analysts Have ‘Powerful and Invasive’ Search Tool
ProSense
May 2014
#94