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AtheistCrusader

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16. Why?

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:50 PM

May 2014

Four unwarranted assumptions:

"obviously cops will always have guns."
This is not the case for beat cops in the UK. Some can obtain access fairly readily, but most do not carry at all.

"I'm also assuming that the person trying to kill you also had a gun"
Why? Can people not be stabbed, beaten, choked, etc?

"Did that person also have the 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun"
When engaged in criminal activity, no, you don't, and possession of a firearm while committing a felony, like attempted murder, is a sentence amplifier that has withstood numerous court challenges.

"without restriction or regulation, as the NRA insists"
The NRA crafted the 1934 NFA, which restricts fully automatic weapons. The NRA also attempted to derail the Heller vs. DC case, for a variety of reasons. The NRA supported the 1994 CAWB portion that established the NICS background check, and the prohibition on armor piercing handgun ammo.

(Edit: four, not two.)

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Second Amendment Scoreboard [View all] Uncle Joe May 2014 OP

perfect randys1 May 2014 #1

Pretty silly really. FBaggins May 2014 #2

I don't think Uncle Joe, or the cartoonist, sees the US Presidency as a seat of tyranny. Aristus May 2014 #3

I'm sure he doesnt... FBaggins May 2014 #60

Gun ownership rates have been dropping since the 70s with more guns concentrated in to fewer hands. Uncle Joe May 2014 #61

So... are you saying... FBaggins May 2014 #63

I never said that and the report doesn't state that. Uncle Joe May 2014 #66

Aristus. Just where IS the "seat of tyranny?" Eleanors38 May 2014 #101

Me? No. Aristus May 2014 #102

You should clarify what you mean by "gun supporters" Eleanors38 May 2014 #104

Well, if you can't get through your day without a gun, Aristus May 2014 #105

Just keep the prejudice & stereotyping down, O.K.? Thanks. Eleanors38 May 2014 #108

What's stereotyping about any of that? Aristus May 2014 #109

You said "gun supporters." All 80+ million of them? Eleanors38 May 2014 #110

If 80,000,000 gun supporters object to this behavior, then all of you write to your Aristus May 2014 #112

So we have to do your work for you? Aren't there any controllers Eleanors38 May 2014 #113

My work? Aristus May 2014 #114

There is no correlation. TrollBuster9090 May 2014 #18

Sure there is. FBaggins May 2014 #62

Ah, the usual "Clint Eastwood" bs... paleotn May 2014 #27

Clint Eastwood? FBaggins May 2014 #64

Another insite into a gunner paradigm upaloopa May 2014 #30

The Right Wing called Lincoln a tyrant at the time.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #57

Must not have gotten the memo that the 2nd amendment was only needed for protection from Tyrants. dilby May 2014 #4

The 1st Amendment was instrumental in ending both Uncle Joe May 2014 #6

LOL, what a re-writing of history. former9thward May 2014 #38

Yes the South would've had personal weapons regardless because it was largely rural, agrarian Uncle Joe May 2014 #47

Can you pencil in "lives saved" JJChambers May 2014 #5

Please Share Your Story SoCalMusicLover May 2014 #9

I'm not going to go into specifics JJChambers May 2014 #10

Glad to hear the right person in the right place, at the right time with a gun saved your life. Fla Dem May 2014 #12

You might get more support if those people were the focus... beevul May 2014 #25

The wrong person was a good person before they upaloopa May 2014 #32

Were they? beevul May 2014 #33

The "Magic Force Field" theory of gun banners! Eleanors38 May 2014 #103

Glad A Gun Saved Your Life SoCalMusicLover May 2014 #15

Why? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #16

Guns can save lives, just like not wearing a seat-belt can save lives... devils chaplain May 2014 #54

cool story, bro NoGOPZone May 2014 #23

As your job of a police officer? nt Logical May 2014 #92

Isn't there a higher precedent than the 2nd Amendment? dickthegrouch May 2014 #7

You would supplant a secular constitution with a document that appeals to a deistic god AtheistCrusader May 2014 #8

I believe the Constitution to be the supreme legal authority of the land. Uncle Joe May 2014 #11

Preamble references " Laws of Nature and of Nature's God " and 'Creator' is capitalized for a reason AtheistCrusader May 2014 #14

For all practical reasons "Laws of Nature and Nature's God" Uncle Joe May 2014 #19

You are attempting to interpret the historical writing of a deist in deistic language to mean AtheistCrusader May 2014 #20

Was Jefferson truly a deist or an atheist? Uncle Joe May 2014 #21

That's a great question. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #26

I actually agree with you Atheist dickthegrouch May 2014 #22

no, the constitution is the supreme law of the land, article 6, clause 2: unblock May 2014 #17

Of course I have a right to take a life. blueridge3210 May 2014 #29

The law says I can do it, therefore it is not wrong to do it dickthegrouch May 2014 #34

Just to clarify: blueridge3210 May 2014 #36

Oh dear dickthegrouch May 2014 #39

In a perfect world perhaps. blueridge3210 May 2014 #40

That Sounds suspiciously like a Stand Your Ground justification to me dickthegrouch May 2014 #42

Generally, yes, I am the best judge of who is attacking me. blueridge3210 May 2014 #45

I had been in the US for not more than an hour before some paranoid idiot dickthegrouch May 2014 #43

What that person did was not self defense blueridge3210 May 2014 #46

Of course I have the right, morally and legally, to take a life, in defense of my own or another's. X_Digger May 2014 #55

It's sad Dpm12 May 2014 #13

Great Toon !!! - K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #24

Anytime, WillyT, anytime. Uncle Joe May 2014 #28

LOL !!! WillyT May 2014 #31

You are only looking at one side of the scale. .... spin May 2014 #35

Using the NRA's logic more guns = more self-defense capability = a safer nation but that doesn't Uncle Joe May 2014 #44

I'll counter with my statistics. .... spin May 2014 #48

Your statistics don't take demographics in to account. Uncle Joe May 2014 #49

Demographics do play a significant role. ... spin May 2014 #58

Not just demographics but the actual rate of gun ownership has been dropping as well. Uncle Joe May 2014 #59

Let me ask you a question. ... spin May 2014 #65

No doubt some people will and are lying or witholding the truth, but that's nothing new Uncle Joe May 2014 #67

Polls often disagree on the number of people who own firearms. ... spin May 2014 #70

From your own post, apparently the Pew Research Center confirms the General Social Survey. Uncle Joe May 2014 #71

Very true, however the Gallup poll shows gun ownership at the same level it was ... spin May 2014 #84

Well if we're going to use anecdotal evidence Uncle Joe May 2014 #85

As I said much depends on where you live ... spin May 2014 #94

Problem with your contentions... Eleanors38 May 2014 #106

You know that number is widely debated? nt Logical May 2014 #93

I am aware of that and also there are no reliable statistics on the subject. ... spin May 2014 #95

I agree, I wish every DGU was reported so we had stats. nt Logical May 2014 #99

Pretty sure one of those kids in Sandy Hook could've been a tyrant. Drunken Irishman May 2014 #37

Nice strawman. (nt) blueridge3210 May 2014 #41

The Data.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #50

Problem with your data. blueridge3210 May 2014 #51

The problem with my data Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #52

Uh huh. (nt) blueridge3210 May 2014 #53

In that case laundry_queen May 2014 #69

Okay, let's play. blueridge3210 May 2014 #72

okay laundry_queen May 2014 #73

You would be guessing wrong. blueridge3210 May 2014 #74

Indeed, let's talk about skewing Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #76

Suicides not the same as homicides.... EX500rider May 2014 #75

How long, O Lord? Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #79

About 50% use a method other then firearms but we don't blame the bridges or razors. EX500rider May 2014 #87

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #90

Ah, but you can't tell how many potential tyrants were scared off. tclambert May 2014 #56

... napkinz May 2014 #68

Where's the one for knives, cars, fists? Skip Intro May 2014 #77

What's the purpose of the Second Amendment? n/t Uncle Joe May 2014 #78

To protect an individual right to keep and bear arms hack89 May 2014 #80

I know how it reads, but what's the purpose? n/t Uncle Joe May 2014 #81

To enumerate a civil liberty and ensure the government cannot infringe it hack89 May 2014 #82

I understand the right to keep and bear arms and the government not being allowed to infringe but Uncle Joe May 2014 #83

It dates back to the English Bill of Rights of 1689 hack89 May 2014 #86

Toon time! Electric Monk May 2014 #88

The 2A is not stopping strict gun control. Go read Heller. Nt hack89 May 2014 #96

That's a good answer establishing the basis of the Founders' reasoning but it seems to me Uncle Joe May 2014 #89

The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 May 2014 #97

Well, it's Toles. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #100

Thanks for posting this. I'll be passing it around. Unrepentant Fenian May 2014 #91

Woman shoots at would-be home intruders seveneyes May 2014 #98

Will Tolles get his NRA royalty payment? Only the Shadow knows. Eleanors38 May 2014 #107

k&r n/t RainDog May 2014 #111