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In reply to the discussion: Second Amendment Scoreboard [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)48. I'll counter with my statistics. ....
It only seems logical that the skyrocketing sale of firearms would in turn create a skyrocketing crime rate. The opposite seems to be true. Obviously there are many factors in the violent crime equation but if more guns do indeed cause more violent crime and are the most important factor, than surely the crime rate would have shown a dramatic increase.
FBI: Violent crime rates in the US drop, approach historic lows
Monday Jun 11, 2012 3:17 PM
By Andrew Mach, Staff Writer, NBC News
Violent crime rates in the U.S. are reaching historic lows, according to new FBI data released Monday.
Instances of murder declined overall by 1.9 percent from 2010 figures, while rape, robbery and aggravated assault declined by 4 percent nationwide, according to records from more than 14,000 law-enforcement agencies around the country, FBI spokesman Bill Carter told msnbc.com.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/11/12170947-fbi-violent-crime-rates-in-the-us-drop-approach-historic-lows?lite
OP/ED | 2/21/2012 @ 1:32PM |223,884 views
Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby
As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Abuse of responsibility by armed citizens is rare, while successful defensive interventions against assaults on their lives and property are relatively commonplace.
National violent crime rates that soared for 30 years from the early 1960s began to decrease markedly since 1993. Last December the FBI reported that murder and other violent crime rates fell again by 6.4% during the first half of 2011 compared with the same period in 2010. A Gallup poll indicates that Americans preference regarding gun laws is generally that the government enforce existing laws more strictly and not pass new laws.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/
Surely in Florida where over 1,000,000 residents have concealed weapons permits violent gun crime must have surged. Maybe not:
Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:46
Florida Update: Concealed Carry Permits Up, Violent Crime Down
Written by Bob Adelmann
The recent report from ABC News that in Florida, where there are more concealed weapons permits than anywhere else in the country, violent crime has dropped to the lowest point in history, delighted Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, Inc. Were happy to have facts and statistics put into these debates, because every time they do, we win, he said.
Firearm-related violent crimes in Florida have dropped by one-third in just four years, 2007 to 2011, while concealed carry permits jumped by 90 percent in that period. Further, violent crime of any kind dropped almost as much, 26 percent.
There were naysayers, but their voices are becoming muted as more and more states have adopted shall-issue carry laws and have seen their own crime rates drop as well. One of the naysayers was Gary Kleck, a Florida State criminologist who calls himself as liberal as they get. He said the link between more permits and less crime might just be a coincidence. He said that nationally, crime has been falling steadily since 1991 and Floridas numbers might just be part of that trend. He warned against drawing too hasty a conclusion that one statistic caused the other. "The real problem there in drawing conclusions is that youre guessing why that decline or change in gun violence has occurred," he stated.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down
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I don't think Uncle Joe, or the cartoonist, sees the US Presidency as a seat of tyranny.
Aristus
May 2014
#3
Gun ownership rates have been dropping since the 70s with more guns concentrated in to fewer hands.
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#61
If 80,000,000 gun supporters object to this behavior, then all of you write to your
Aristus
May 2014
#112
Must not have gotten the memo that the 2nd amendment was only needed for protection from Tyrants.
dilby
May 2014
#4
Yes the South would've had personal weapons regardless because it was largely rural, agrarian
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#47
Glad to hear the right person in the right place, at the right time with a gun saved your life.
Fla Dem
May 2014
#12
Guns can save lives, just like not wearing a seat-belt can save lives...
devils chaplain
May 2014
#54
You would supplant a secular constitution with a document that appeals to a deistic god
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#8
Preamble references " Laws of Nature and of Nature's God " and 'Creator' is capitalized for a reason
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#14
You are attempting to interpret the historical writing of a deist in deistic language to mean
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#20
I had been in the US for not more than an hour before some paranoid idiot
dickthegrouch
May 2014
#43
Of course I have the right, morally and legally, to take a life, in defense of my own or another's.
X_Digger
May 2014
#55
Using the NRA's logic more guns = more self-defense capability = a safer nation but that doesn't
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#44
Not just demographics but the actual rate of gun ownership has been dropping as well.
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#59
No doubt some people will and are lying or witholding the truth, but that's nothing new
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#67
From your own post, apparently the Pew Research Center confirms the General Social Survey.
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#71
Very true, however the Gallup poll shows gun ownership at the same level it was ...
spin
May 2014
#84
About 50% use a method other then firearms but we don't blame the bridges or razors.
EX500rider
May 2014
#87
I understand the right to keep and bear arms and the government not being allowed to infringe but
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#83
That's a good answer establishing the basis of the Founders' reasoning but it seems to me
Uncle Joe
May 2014
#89