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merrily

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26. It's an attempt to end run the Constitutional requirement of a Congressional vote
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:23 PM
May 2014

on Syria, which is where Obama ran into trouble on this as to Syria before. And Libya before that.

Several members of Congress sued over Libya and the case was dismissed for lack of standing because they could not prove that they were representing Congress officially. IOW, the court treated them as though they were private citizens suing because Obama had not sought a vote from Congress first. (Which proves their law firm did not do its homework because there was precedent for that holding. The lawyer first claimed Obama was not acting consistently with the War Powers Act, when there are also serious questions about the constitutionality of the War Powers Act.)

However, as to Syria, many members of Congress signed onto a petition telling Obama he had to ask Congress first. And, the Speaker of the House sent Obama a letter asking about fourteen legal questions about Obama's plans for Syria. Had the Speaker moved into court on behalf of the House, the standing issue that torpedoed the Libya lawsuit would have disappeared. (Whether a committee of 100 or so members of Congress would have saved the Libya suit is debatable.)

So, I guess the admin dusted off the "training" ploy used to wedge us into the Vietnam "Era." I don't know if the same ploy was used for the Korean "Police Action." But, Congress did not declare war in either of those instances--and our useless media cooperated by adopting the "Era" and "Police Action" terminology. I've seen clips of Bob Hope greeting the troops in Vietnam with "Hello, advisors," and hearing their bitter-sounding laughter in response.


But, of course, that was Truman, who had dropped out of junior college after one semester and was never able to make a go of anything he attempted, other than, oddly enough, soldiering and the Presidency. (He makes a lot of Ten Best US Presidents Ever lists.) And now we have a constitutional law professor following Truman's lead.

Even if you never read the Constitution, raise your hand if you understand why the Founders required our Congressional representatives to vote before the children and money of voters were sent to a fight, rather than leaving it to one individual, in this case, a lame duck individual to boot.

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. . . 2, 3, 4 bigtree May 2014 #1
"We were waist deep in the big Muddy dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #7
Moderate Syrian rebels; SamKnause May 2014 #2
maybe they'll turn the tide bigtree May 2014 #5
Doesn't what the Syrian people want count for anything at all? Raksha May 2014 #13
Well, a statistical sample of -1- is certainly significant... brooklynite May 2014 #24
This can't end well nt Lee-Lee May 2014 #3
what a dumbass idea..why am I not surprised? bowens43 May 2014 #4
We are already training them. nt bemildred May 2014 #6
Oh, please, no. Laelth May 2014 #8
Ah, training rebels in the Middle East. NuclearDem May 2014 #9
Is it finally time? "A Time to Break the Silence" - Rev Dr Martin Luther King, Jr KoKo May 2014 #10
Does anybody here actually support this Obama policy? I find it bone-headed and cynical. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #11
Well, ya gotta give TPTB points for tenacity. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #12
K & R Raksha May 2014 #14
Huge K&R Neocons, neolibs....The MIC will be fed. woo me with science May 2014 #15
"This is called escalation." woo me with science May 2014 #16
kick woo me with science May 2014 #17
Dude is like a three dollar bill, thread I read right before this was about the dovish new TheKentuckian May 2014 #18
Is he wearing his comfortable cowboy boots? Preparing a Mission Accomplished sign? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #19
Here we go again. Brigid May 2014 #20
You also have one of my favorite quotes dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #21
I even have a plaque with that quote on my bookshelf. Brigid May 2014 #22
Paradigm shift Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #23
To the tune of $5 billion. morningfog May 2014 #25
It's an attempt to end run the Constitutional requirement of a Congressional vote merrily May 2014 #26
The crap about "advisors" in Viet Nam .... dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #27
Yes, people come home from war very changed, if at all. merrily May 2014 #28
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