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Laelth

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68. It is not our responsibility to fix all the "broken" people of the world.
Thu May 29, 2014, 06:46 AM
May 2014
The following post is cross-posted from this thread in which two people who acknowledge that men are "fearful" argue, in turn, that it's not our responsibility to do anything about these fears. I cross-posted my response here in order to keep my thoughts on this subject on the same page.

I agree that it is not our responsibility to fix all the "broken" people of the world.

However, putting aside my dislike of the word "broken," and assuming that we're talking about "fearful" men, it may still be in our best interests to address the fears of these men, even if it's not our responsibility. That, in essence, is the argument I make here.

The idea I am exploring is this:

I see this whole mess as a gender issue--as a backlash against the enormous gains in power that women have made over the past century. I see our obsession with guns as a lame and futile attempt to re-assert some kind of "masculine" power. I see the success of right-wing parties in Europe as a product of the same backlash. In fact, I see the political success of the modern Republican Party as a result of the same, underlying issue.


If I am right, and these "fears" we are discussing are part of a culture-wide backlash, then shouldn't we address this, even if it's not our responsibility to do so? That's the strategy I am pondering, in any event. I want to find a way to get people to stop voting against their best interests, and the "fears" we are discussing, according to the theory I am toying with, are the primary cause of the counter-productive voting pattern we see among working class men (and the women who love them) who vote for the o-so-manly Republican Party.

Is it not in our best interests to try to change this voting pattern?

-Laelth
I've never watched The Wall in it's entirety. I will have to do so. octoberlib May 2014 #1
I hope you do. Laelth May 2014 #4
Actually, rrneck May 2014 #6
Umm ... Laelth May 2014 #8
It certainly seems counterintuitive but it's true. rrneck May 2014 #12
Thanks for that link. Laelth May 2014 #50
That's complete bollocks. He doesn't argue anything of the sort. muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #18
I disagree with your interpretation. Laelth May 2014 #19
No, that's just total nonsense muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #21
Thank you for your posts about this. redqueen May 2014 #23
Interestingly Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #32
Indeed, he says nothing about WW I. Laelth May 2014 #33
You are trying to conflate war and the character's personal problems muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #34
Another few pieces of evidence. Laelth May 2014 #37
They are things the character might do muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #42
Drop bombs? Seriously? Laelth May 2014 #61
to say nothing of the fact DonCoquixote May 2014 #43
If you taught rhetoric than I ask you to step back and look for a larger, overarching theme KittyWampus May 2014 #2
You nailed it when you mentioned the Middle East. Laelth May 2014 #3
The bong is strong with this one. AngryAmish May 2014 #5
LOL Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #17
+1 Agreed n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2014 #7
Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #69
So men were never violent before women's liberation movements? davidn3600 May 2014 #9
Humans are violent. Laelth May 2014 #10
So the invention of bigger and better guns and war machines had nothing to do with it? davidn3600 May 2014 #11
True. Laelth May 2014 #13
wow. that's pretty horrifying. Sheri May 2014 #14
Either will work. Laelth May 2014 #48
we have often talked about the backlash resulting from so much success of women over a small seabeyond May 2014 #15
Indeed, but do you talk about men? Laelth May 2014 #30
all. the fuckin. time. that is my life. seabeyond May 2014 #39
Smile. I hear you. Laelth May 2014 #40
but most importantly. i listen to them. nt seabeyond May 2014 #41
this obssession by the gun 'enthusiasts' heaven05 May 2014 #16
There are over 80,000,000 gun-owners, enthused or otherwise... Eleanors38 May 2014 #24
3quarterbillion guns in this country alone heaven05 May 2014 #31
A lot of guns, but more like 300+ million. There is one course Eleanors38 May 2014 #35
that's okay on the link heaven05 May 2014 #44
The country may be sliding to hell in a handbasket, Eleanors38 May 2014 #51
My pleasure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #46
Good points. fried eggs May 2014 #20
Thanks. Laelth May 2014 #29
Since women constitute the fastest growing gun-owning demographic Eleanors38 May 2014 #22
No clue, but I welcome the discussion. Laelth May 2014 #28
Gender was this shooter's motive treestar May 2014 #25
no, nothing to do with guns Skittles May 2014 #26
As the clip I posted demonstrates ... Laelth May 2014 #27
problem seems to be men unable to handle change Skittles May 2014 #36
We have all suffered from the backlash, I think. Laelth May 2014 #38
We fight to amend the Second Amendment. The existence of guns prevents the very conversations ancianita May 2014 #45
I would like Mr. Moore to answer his own question. Laelth May 2014 #47
+1000 LAGC May 2014 #53
It really is a gun problem Crunchy Frog May 2014 #62
The Second Amendment is not your problem hack89 May 2014 #58
Added just to keep my thoughts on the same page. Laelth May 2014 #60
On misogyny and misandry. Laelth May 2014 #49
love and desire. seabeyond May 2014 #52
I've been saying "testosterone is an evil master" for a long time. Laelth May 2014 #55
that has nothing to do with love and desire. that has nothing to do with being fearful seabeyond May 2014 #56
Hold on a second. Laelth May 2014 #57
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #54
My response to XemaSab (above). Laelth May 2014 #59
The purpose of this thread (cross-posted). Laelth May 2014 #63
I read something by someone who never once talked about giving of themselves…. Tikki May 2014 #64
I admire and appreciate the spirit of this post. Laelth May 2014 #65
I thank you for your posts in this thread dreamnightwind May 2014 #66
You are very kind. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #67
It is not our responsibility to fix all the "broken" people of the world. Laelth May 2014 #68
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