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JDPriestly

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63. We are trying to make sense of facts that do not make sense.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 02:28 AM
Apr 2012

There should already have been a thorough investigation. I, for one, want to keep discussing this story until the authorities definitively give Trayvon Martin's parents an explanation about what happened to their son that at least makes sense. I think a lot of DUers feel that way, and that is why we keep pointing to discrepancies in and questions we have about Zimmerman's story.

One thing appears to be certain: Trayvon Martin was killed on a path leading behind and between the townhouses in the development, not on a street.

There were no cars on or close to that path. Cars had to be parked somewhere on the street, toward the front of the townhouses. That means that the altercation between Trayvon and Zimmerman took place some distance from Zimmerman's truck. So Zimmerman got out and left his truck to follow Trayvon or to find Trayvon on the path. That is the only way that they could have met.

Therefore, it is most likely that the encounter was initiated by Zimmerman after Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that the 911 center did not want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon.

We also know from Zimmerman's call to 911 that Zimmerman was concerned that Trayvon would get away. This supports the conclusion that Zimmerman had a motive to follow or try to meet up with or possibly meet or confront Trayvon on the path.

Zimmerman's statements or at least the police reports on them do not make sense in a number of other respects.

I think there is probable cause to try Zimmerman. He deserves a fair trial. I hope the judge will be careful in deciding what evidence should and should not be admitted and that the jury can decide the case only on that evidence. The normal jury instruction, I believe, is that facts learned outside the courtroom are not to be considered.

We could find ultimately that the facts are very different from those that we now know. But if the facts we now know are correct, it seems to me that injustice was done when Zimmerman was not charged. Seems to me that charges and a trial based on all the admissible evidence are appropriate.

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Maybe Sanford PD beat the crap out of him. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #1
What's even crazier: Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #11
I know - that is what is so bizarre about all of this. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #22
Sounds like they are all taking lying lessons from "Mittens" left on green only Mar 2012 #41
Don't think many people would be shocked or suprised if this was the case uponit7771 Mar 2012 #42
So, he removed them and the lumps disappeared in 35 MINUTES!!?? Ecumenist Mar 2012 #2
How much did they pay THIS clown?!? Cirque du So-What Mar 2012 #3
An un-named man on Fox. I'm convinced. Ian David Mar 2012 #4
Yeah, I'm getting pretty sick of the 1000th "unnamed neighbor" (how big is that neighborhood?) Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #76
Can't wait to see this witness under cross examination. madaboutharry Mar 2012 #5
what a crock of caca GreatCaesarsGhost Mar 2012 #6
Don't jive with police tape. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #7
Is this Frank Taffe? Alenne Mar 2012 #8
Frank Taffe immediately came to my mind as well Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #9
Bottom line: bullshit alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #10
Makes me think of the famous / infamous scene in "Dirty Harry"... Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #13
Who you gonna believe: anonymous Fox News "neighbor" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #16
There's photographic evidence that proves otherwise!!!! Initech Mar 2012 #50
Okay, I can kinda see it... jmowreader Mar 2012 #12
You read my mind Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #14
The Neighborhood association is in deep doo doo... Bennyboy Mar 2012 #15
If the Fire Department didn't dress the wounds at the spot with bandages Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #17
He's lying... butterfly77 Mar 2012 #18
surrrre... the rest of the country know you are political driven bigoted fanatics fascisthunter Mar 2012 #19
Whoa whoa whoa johnnie Mar 2012 #20
awww.... lookie. Zimmerman has a defender fascisthunter Mar 2012 #21
I'm not a defender johnnie Mar 2012 #24
Every major news outlet in the country reported EFerrari Mar 2012 #40
Sorry it didn't take less than 150 minutes like Sanford. slampoet Mar 2012 #25
I believe the detective there though Zimmerman's story was bullshit, too alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #27
From what I've heard, there was at least one person on the force that wanted Zimmerman arrested johnnie Mar 2012 #30
Hardly. Majority of DU just see enough evidence to suggest there should be a trial. vaberella Apr 2012 #71
Hopefully there is a real investigation above Sanford johnnie Mar 2012 #28
I am glad you are enjoying yourself nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #33
Huh? johnnie Mar 2012 #36
Yup, we have speculated nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52
We are trying to make sense of facts that do not make sense. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #63
uh...He did keep following Martin Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #75
You're kiddin right? Thx uponit7771 Mar 2012 #43
have you seen the video? niyad Mar 2012 #47
Yes n/t johnnie Mar 2012 #49
Where are the bandages? Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #57
What bandages? johnnie Apr 2012 #60
What bandages? From the article... Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #61
but... shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #62
So wanting justice is "hatred, circle jerk mob mentality"...Got it Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #78
Right now it looks like DU are the only people doing ANY investigating... Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #77
Did he say this before that tape came out? FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #23
The story was published today, and the article says... Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #26
No wonder his story sounds bogus. He hasn't slept for days and he's hallucinating now. freshwest Mar 2012 #29
The shooting happened Feb 26th Politicalboi Mar 2012 #31
He DEFINITELY "coached" the brother prior to his interview Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #32
Well, the brother was no less convincing HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #59
Joe Oliver was obviously a clown and a liar, but... Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #72
Don't worry about this issue. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #64
the lies just keep piling up spanone Mar 2012 #34
Fucking liar Hugabear Mar 2012 #35
If his story is true shimonitanegi Mar 2012 #37
Have you not seen the tapes of Zimmerman comng out of hte police car snagglepuss Mar 2012 #38
Zimmerman does not appear dazed in the video. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #65
At this point Aerows Mar 2012 #48
Uh... what about the video that showed otherwise? BeHereNow Mar 2012 #39
I vote for rbrnmw Mar 2012 #45
Me too. n/t BeHereNow Mar 2012 #46
I'll take "Who is a racist lying dirtbag" for $500, Alex. Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #51
Okay Amerigo Vespucci, "Who is a lying racist dirtbag" for $500? BeHereNow Mar 2012 #53
Zimmer --- MAN! Aerows Mar 2012 #44
Um... you can buy bandages anywhere. Literally. krispos42 Mar 2012 #54
Hearsay. Even if this turd revealed his name and offered to testify at a trial Monk06 Apr 2012 #55
He didn't want to be identified tells me all I need to know n/t madokie Apr 2012 #56
"I believe you have the right to pull the trigger if you feel like your life is on the line" Major Nikon Apr 2012 #58
Well said Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #66
It should be frightening to anyone who lives in Florida Major Nikon Apr 2012 #68
When only criminals have gun, you know a person who has a gun JDPriestly Apr 2012 #67
Joe Oliver's replacement has arrived. EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #69
Why do people still talk in the face of video footage? vaberella Apr 2012 #70
24 hours later magical thyme Apr 2012 #73
Pictures please? If there are none then it is not evidence. jwirr Apr 2012 #74
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