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Armstead

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20. IMO we're a country in which elections have generally been very close and up for grabs
Thu May 29, 2014, 09:50 AM
May 2014

I would say about one third of the population range from reasonable but committed conservatives to right-wing nuts and corporate fascists. Another third range from liberal-leaning moderates to committed progressives to ultra lefties.

The remaining third (sometimes called the swing voters) are generally on the fence, and capable of swinging in either direction, depending on current conditions, specific issues and the persuasive ability of particular candidates and campaigns.

The mistake i believe is that we assume that the "swing middle voters" are inherently conservative, and will automatically reject liberalism. And, to your point about "the money," we have relied too much on money from the wrong sources. I reallllllllllly hate the fact that Democrats like the Clintons (and I must say, President Obama) are basically employees of big corporations like Comcast and investment bankers like Goldman Sachs.

Money is a means to an end, and the end is getting enough votes to get people into office.

IMO a more broadly based and sincere progressive/liberal Democratic Party (and those who support basic liberalism) could mount winning campaigns and candidates if we stop enabling and supporting the wing who either is in the tank for Big Money or who are "pragmatic" and believe we can't be seen as, God forbid, even slightly liberal.



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I love how Dean gets to sidestep all of the 'third way' nonsense thrown around here bigtree May 2014 #1
In case Harry Enten doesn't respond to you Capt. Obvious May 2014 #2
you just picked a random article and posted it? bigtree May 2014 #3
No. As per custom - articles one reads that you think should be discussed here are posted. Capt. Obvious May 2014 #4
do the picture threads bother you? bigtree May 2014 #5
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you want a lively discussion? You got the beginnings of one with my first post bigtree May 2014 #7
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As insincere as you are Capt. Obvious May 2014 #11
will a serious challenger emerge from the left? bigtree May 2014 #12
For once I almost agree with you Armstead May 2014 #13
I'd be almost giddy for a Sherrod Brown candidacy bigtree May 2014 #15
Several points Capt. Obvious May 2014 #14
I think there is a galvanizing issue -- It's just a matter of packaging it correctly Armstead May 2014 #16
It's a predetermined outcome Capt. Obvious May 2014 #19
IMO we're a country in which elections have generally been very close and up for grabs Armstead May 2014 #20
With Democrats eating from the same trough Capt. Obvious May 2014 #21
I like how all these article ignore the actual liberal with an exploratory committee & an on-ground FSogol May 2014 #17
Vermin Supreme doesn't stand a chance Capt. Obvious May 2014 #18
Gov. O'malley? Armstead May 2014 #22
Ding,ding ding! Yup, Gov. Martin O'Malley n/t FSogol May 2014 #23
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