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aikoaiko

(34,214 posts)
58. There is a point of agreement between the NRA and those who want more restrictions
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:43 PM
May 2014

We all, well mostly, agree that some people cannot be trusted with firearms. The interest of the NRA is to make sure that those who can be trusted (trusted enough) can still access firearms and that there is due process for disqualifying people. Due process is a tough. I'm not ready to post my idea on DU yet, but I'm thinking through a mechanism where people could identify someone as dangerous, and that could temporarily prevent them from acquiring a firearm through a NICS check until vetted (a la Jersey). But they would have to be notified of being on the list and have a fair mechanism of getting off the list. Just an idea I've been working with.

The NRA and Democrats once worked together on improving the info being collected and used by NICS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-democrats-team-up-to-pass-gun-bill/

After 52 years in Congress, John Dingell knows it sometimes takes a "rather curious alliance," such as between the National Rifle Association and the House's most fervent gun control advocate, to move legislation.

That's what took place Wednesday when the House, by voice vote, passed a gun control bill that Rep. Dingell, D-Mich., helped broker between the NRA and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

With the NRA on board, the bill, which fixes flaws in the national gun background check system that allowed the Virginia Tech shooter to buy guns despite his mental health problems, has a good chance of becoming the first major gun control law in more than a decade.


Once you take bans off the table (and registration, too), and we focus on legitimate means of disqualifying people from owning guns, things can improve. I think several of the mass murder shooters could have been denied their firearms.

And incremental improvement is the way to go. Try for too much and the pushback could deny any improvement.

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K & R. n/t FSogol May 2014 #1
Superb! Baitball Blogger May 2014 #2
God bless The Onion. Now and always. Paladin May 2014 #3
Also: Don't make stupid, useless laws that won't save lives. aikoaiko May 2014 #4
'No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens Orrex May 2014 #7
Was this supposed to be a response to my reply? aikoaiko May 2014 #9
Nor did you propose any ways that it might be Orrex May 2014 #10
Sure... aikoaiko May 2014 #13
I think every fucking asshat open carrying in a fast food joint is potentially dangerous Skittles May 2014 #25
I'm not as afraid of people with guns as you and others are, but I... aikoaiko May 2014 #33
I AM NOT AFRAID OF GUNS Skittles May 2014 #48
+1000 heaven05 May 2014 #57
Responsible gun owners can do a background check now using an FFL, but they won't. Hoyt May 2014 #26
It is inconvenient, some expense, and there is a papertrail aikoaiko May 2014 #32
Why not just start enforcing current NICS checks? metalbot May 2014 #42
I'm totally on board with that. aikoaiko May 2014 #43
First, your next door neighbor could check to see if you've done something in your past to Hoyt May 2014 #64
A few Orrex May 2014 #34
Of course you are free to wish for what you want. aikoaiko May 2014 #36
I appreciate the reciprocated snark. Orrex May 2014 #37
I was curious about your stance since you wondered about mine. aikoaiko May 2014 #41
Ok. Orrex May 2014 #45
There is a point of agreement between the NRA and those who want more restrictions aikoaiko May 2014 #58
"but I'm not confident that other killers give off warning signals Lonusca May 2014 #71
Are we only worried about mass shooters? Orrex May 2014 #72
It seems the mass shootings are Lonusca May 2014 #73
You could start with the easy ones metalbot May 2014 #44
I like that. Orrex May 2014 #47
"...a few for starters." No wonder controllers fail. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #49
By "controllers" you no doubt mean Orrex May 2014 #52
No, those just getting "started." nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #53
You don't know how negotiation is supposed to work, then? Orrex May 2014 #55
I'll get "started" on those negotiations right away... Eleanors38 May 2014 #62
Hey, you're the gun advocate. You tell me. Orrex May 2014 #63
Done so many X before... Eleanors38 May 2014 #66
So... Pretty much exactly what I said, but short on specifics. Orrex May 2014 #70
Nope. A foid does not reveal you have guns.... Eleanors38 May 2014 #74
more than you Duckhunter935 May 2014 #76
Good advice. Now, let's pass some sensible UK style gun control that will save lives. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #59
Fucking Brilliant BrotherIvan May 2014 #5
To be fair, they can't help it. Maedhros May 2014 #12
I know and it's sad BrotherIvan May 2014 #20
Exactly. There are gun fanciers on DU who have tried to compare their Hoyt May 2014 #27
I was taken aback at the use of "civil rights" today BrotherIvan May 2014 #29
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens klook May 2014 #6
Brilliant...knr joeybee12 May 2014 #8
too complicated Leme May 2014 #11
What does it say... iandhr May 2014 #14
K&R billh58 May 2014 #15
1994 JJChambers May 2014 #16
Convince voters that someone will always be there to save them seveneyes May 2014 #17
yes, they do need to consider the paranoia aspect Skittles May 2014 #18
But the NRA and the right-wing billh58 May 2014 #22
People like me? seveneyes May 2014 #23
THINK? Skittles May 2014 #24
No, convince them that they'll be safer with gun control. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #61
LOL. That's cool Dpm12 May 2014 #19
I have never seen the Onion be so serious. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #21
Excellent. n/t DirkGently May 2014 #28
We need a REAL Opposition Party. One that ISN'T beholden to the 1% that owns Washington DC!! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #30
+1,000 Scuba May 2014 #38
Why s it that one of the only places we find reason & rationality is from our humorists? baldguy May 2014 #31
Hell yes alfredo May 2014 #35
But guns are sexy. And they make a man feel tough. tclambert May 2014 #39
And the millions of gun-owning women feel...? Eleanors38 May 2014 #51
I remember when there was talk of a total ban on hand guns. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #40
So do 2A activists. Sums it up, right? nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #50
Just watched "The American President" again recently.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #54
Bullied? No, a lot of Democrats lost their collective asses. Eleanors38 May 2014 #60
Actually, it's a myth that Dems lost to the gun issues during the Clinton Years.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #65
Not what NRA claimed. What CLINTON claimed. Eleanors38 May 2014 #67
it was Bill Clinton who said his gun control efforts aikoaiko May 2014 #68
he wanted the Dems to shift to the right so OF COURSE he blamed Liberal stands for the loss.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #69
Nail on the head. davidthegnome May 2014 #46
muy mucho excellente heaven05 May 2014 #56
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #75
"Truther" bullshit n/t arcane1 May 2014 #77
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