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In reply to the discussion: K&R if you think Zimmerman is guilty of murder [View all]magical thyme
(14,881 posts)especially when he got out of his car and ignored his own agreement with the police to meet them by the mailboxes, and instead followed him off the regular sidewalk and down the paved path between the townhouses. And got close enough to him to touch him.
When he presumably knocked him down and shot him, yes, murder. And even if Trayvon punched him and knocked him down first, and then he fired up at him (evidence strongly suggests otherwise, but EMT report plus autopsy should clarify one way or the other), Trayvon was 2. rightfully defending *himself* from a stalker and 2. did not deserve to be shot and killed by said stalker. Furthermore, the stalker did not need to kill Trayvon to defend himself, since there is absolutely no evidence of an extended scuffle or brawl between the two.
Trayvon's girlfriend was on the phone with him until within 1 minute of the police arrival.
In that 60 seconds, he was heard calling for help, crying, two shots fired and dead. Those facts are supported by girlfriend's phone records, 911 recording and eye witness evidence.
There was clearly no time in that 60 seconds for -- in addition to the above-- any kind of scuffle, let alone for Zimmerman to have tried to retreat to his car, been followed back and assaulted by Trayvon, nor for Trayvon to have punched Zimmerman in the nose and pounded his head into the cement, etc.