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magical thyme

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28. when he followed after being advised not to, it became stalking
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 07:41 AM
Apr 2012

especially when he got out of his car and ignored his own agreement with the police to meet them by the mailboxes, and instead followed him off the regular sidewalk and down the paved path between the townhouses. And got close enough to him to touch him.

When he presumably knocked him down and shot him, yes, murder. And even if Trayvon punched him and knocked him down first, and then he fired up at him (evidence strongly suggests otherwise, but EMT report plus autopsy should clarify one way or the other), Trayvon was 2. rightfully defending *himself* from a stalker and 2. did not deserve to be shot and killed by said stalker. Furthermore, the stalker did not need to kill Trayvon to defend himself, since there is absolutely no evidence of an extended scuffle or brawl between the two.

Trayvon's girlfriend was on the phone with him until within 1 minute of the police arrival.

In that 60 seconds, he was heard calling for help, crying, two shots fired and dead. Those facts are supported by girlfriend's phone records, 911 recording and eye witness evidence.

There was clearly no time in that 60 seconds for -- in addition to the above-- any kind of scuffle, let alone for Zimmerman to have tried to retreat to his car, been followed back and assaulted by Trayvon, nor for Trayvon to have punched Zimmerman in the nose and pounded his head into the cement, etc.

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As soon as he pursued the kid, instead of listening to the 911 cop, he was guilty of something. onehandle Mar 2012 #1
Exactly right. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #18
911 operators aren't cops. That alone is not any type of offense. Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #26
His first call was not to 911. He called dispatch directly. notadmblnd Apr 2012 #35
Don't know but . . . caseymoz Mar 2012 #2
I think we have to wait until all the evidence is in and the jury JDPriestly Mar 2012 #3
So how do you form opinions on non-criminal issues? bluedigger Apr 2012 #41
I weigh the facts and evidence available to me in the light of my JDPriestly Apr 2012 #114
His ass is as guilty as HOMEMADE SIN! Ecumenist Mar 2012 #4
I concur, Ecumenist! Number23 Apr 2012 #23
yup, he murdered Trayvon JI7 Mar 2012 #5
If he hadn't, there wouldn't be this ridiculous coverup. juajen Mar 2012 #6
Murder has a legal meaning Lithos Mar 2012 #7
Are you suggesting a Lie Detection test? Because I am. BeHereNow Mar 2012 #8
Manslaughter at minimum, renegade000 Mar 2012 #9
The is zero evidence to support Zimmerman's lies about self-defense... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #10
Blinders on much? truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #62
talk about blinders. robinlynne Apr 2012 #64
we'll see truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #69
Your last point, wtf? This is not just about the death of a young man, but about ignoring uppityperson Apr 2012 #71
reply truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #77
Yup. You miss the point. Even when it is explained, you still don't see it. uppityperson Apr 2012 #78
The point truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #83
Zimmy's history "may suggest" he could have violent tendencies? So does Trayvon's? wtf? uppityperson Apr 2012 #89
Please don't put words in my mouth truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #97
It is you saying you have given "evidence" to support Zimmy's story that is getting us here. uppityperson Apr 2012 #98
Sorry, Wasn't accusing you of the racist, RW comment. truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #106
No. It was Hugabear. And no, you are not the victim or the only caring one. uppityperson Apr 2012 #109
What???? truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #115
K&R if you think Zimmerman is guilty of murder uppityperson Apr 2012 #116
I read the definition truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #112
Did you really sign up here to post 3 threads about gangsta culture? K Gardner Apr 2012 #84
Hi K Gardner truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #87
What "evidence" did you post? uppityperson Apr 2012 #91
Gangsta culture, really? Hugabear Apr 2012 #88
You don't live in a big city do you. truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #90
Yup, white and hispanic guys driving around shooting black kids is "gansta" culture.Why are you here uppityperson Apr 2012 #93
Thug culture then truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #101
Who says it is racist to discuss it? Edited. uppityperson Apr 2012 #103
You misunderstood truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #107
What is it then? truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #108
K&R if you think Zimmerman is guilty of murder? Threadjack link definition... uppityperson Apr 2012 #110
Poverty. LanternWaste Apr 2012 #118
+ a brazillion. Poverty is the base of those problems. uppityperson Apr 2012 #120
A black child was gunned down while he walked home with his skittles and iced tea. TBF Apr 2012 #117
4 black unarmed inncocnet people have been shot by white men in the past few months. half robinlynne Apr 2012 #122
So the rposecutor drive 60 milews perosnally at night to let the guy out of jail.. robinlynne Apr 2012 #125
Two voice analysts have come to the conclusion that it was not Zimmerman's voice.. Kalidurga Apr 2012 #79
Like I said truthseeker68 Apr 2012 #86
K&R varelse Apr 2012 #11
If I had to place a bet The Traveler Apr 2012 #12
It is a matter of common sense. shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #13
Guilty. K&R Stardust Apr 2012 #14
From what I have heard, it sounds like it loyalsister Apr 2012 #15
The thing is... Cali_Democrat Apr 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author loyalsister Apr 2012 #21
I'm not convinced that loyalsister Apr 2012 #22
K&R I can't take Duct Tape Apr 2012 #17
K&R. nt DesertFlower Apr 2012 #19
I do, and they're blatantly allowing him to get away with it ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #20
He's innocent until proven guilty, but he sure looks ripe for a guilty verdict. Shanti Mama Apr 2012 #24
Cold Blooded Killer. EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #25
yep. barbtries Apr 2012 #27
when he followed after being advised not to, it became stalking magical thyme Apr 2012 #28
Yep malaise Apr 2012 #29
k&r rbrnmw Apr 2012 #30
An unconscious racist, at best, but Shankapotomus Apr 2012 #31
K&R. n/t DLevine Apr 2012 #32
100th rec leveymg Apr 2012 #33
Manslaughter at the least, murder at the most. no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #34
I think Zimmerman was a cop wannabe. Who was looking for trouble. OllieLotte Apr 2012 #36
K&R MoonRiver Apr 2012 #37
I will wait for all the evidence to come out so we can see how exactly things went down. xoom Apr 2012 #38
Manslaughter at a minimum. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #39
k&r bluedigger Apr 2012 #40
Yes. Stalking and murder. I don't know the term in legalese for it, but I hope he gets to spend polly7 Apr 2012 #42
Or at the very minimum.. 99Forever Apr 2012 #43
absolutely quilty riverwalker Apr 2012 #44
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2012 #45
. libodem Apr 2012 #46
K&R I remember case which claimed self defense long before this and they at least were invest- jwirr Apr 2012 #47
Head vs Concrete brush Apr 2012 #48
Great first post. Welcome to DU. Hugabear Apr 2012 #60
Thanks brush Apr 2012 #105
It is disgusting fightforfreedom123 Apr 2012 #49
K&R Tarheel_Dem Apr 2012 #50
Was hoping to find out what K&R was ffr Apr 2012 #51
K&R means "kick and recommend." "nt" means "no text." yardwork Apr 2012 #56
I don't know. ChadwickHenryWard Apr 2012 #52
He killed Trayvon. lunatica Apr 2012 #53
He is guilty of SOMETHING, but i can't accurately say if it was manslaughter or not. slampoet Apr 2012 #54
K&R yardwork Apr 2012 #55
That's like saying "K&R if you think the sky is blue" nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #57
Yep. Jawja Apr 2012 #58
. stuntcat Apr 2012 #59
No doubt Zimmerman is a killer workinclasszero Apr 2012 #61
I will wait for the court nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #63
I don't think it will be impossible to find a jury Hugabear Apr 2012 #65
Killerman is guilty. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #66
Does writing this OP feel good? SOLICITING these kinds of responses from others will aid the Defense patrice Apr 2012 #67
You honestly believe that? Hugabear Apr 2012 #68
"Stand Your Ground" isn't Supposed to Mean "Hunt Down and Kill" AndyTiedye Apr 2012 #70
Yes. k&r nt frogmarch Apr 2012 #72
from what I've read, I think he has earned an arrest and a trial elias7 Apr 2012 #73
He is...but consider his background and... SunDrop23 Apr 2012 #74
Kick! qanda Apr 2012 #75
yep marshall gaines Apr 2012 #76
As an attorney, I cannot state he is guilty of murder but...... Swede Atlanta Apr 2012 #80
Anyone who doesn't think this mainstreetonce Apr 2012 #81
K&R obietiger Apr 2012 #82
k&r yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2012 #85
I surely do. H2O Man Apr 2012 #92
Absolutely without question. The more the evidence stacks up the more lies are exposed Initech Apr 2012 #94
Zimmerman is as guilty as the rhetoric surrounding the defense of his actions. Kencorburn Apr 2012 #95
K&R Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #96
K&R At this time I feel he should be arrested and prosecuted ... spin Apr 2012 #99
K&R from a gun owner. BiggJawn Apr 2012 #100
Finally, someone said it. Kencorburn Apr 2012 #104
K & R BigDemVoter Apr 2012 #102
K&R....n/t unkachuck Apr 2012 #111
k&r Suji to Seoul Apr 2012 #113
K&R nt hifiguy Apr 2012 #119
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #121
Oh hell yes, I think beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind. Rex Apr 2012 #123
guilty noiretextatique Apr 2012 #124
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