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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. Silliness
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:52 PM
May 2014
It carries a particularly grim resonance in the wake of Chelsea Manning's military trial and conviction. That whistleblower had to "man up" in the most literal of ways: She stood trial as Bradley Manning, her legal team determining it would do the case no favors to reveal her preferred name and gender identity during the court martial.

No one, fugitive whistleblower or otherwise, should heed Kerry's call to 'trust in the American justice system.'

And, indeed, military psychologists testifying at the trial pathologized Manning's gender identity as a "disorder," a designation that even the DSM-5 has scrapped. Chelsea Manning remains in a male prison. The point being, US justice has a cruel way of insisting that its victims "man up." Kerry's use of the phrase is unwitting reminder of this.

People are taking issue with Kerry stating that Snowden should be held accountable, and they're doing it by saying no one should "trust" the U.S. justice system? Kerry is a Government official.

Did people expect Snowden's claims to go unchallenged by anyone with the stature to do so? Kerry's statements were similar to what many other Democrats have said.

Snowden is the coward

Expecting any administration official to coddle Snowden is letting a bias get the best of logic. Being surprised that Kerry would point to the justice system is ridiculous.

Here's another quote:

Snowden's allegiance is to that old myth 'America the free,' while Kerry aligns uncritically with 'America the State.'

Really? Kerry aligns with the government?

Snowden and his lawyers know he broke the law. Snowden knows the extent of the information he took, as he admitted tonight. He screwed up. He's a fugitive. He's not some fragile kid, and no one should expect that he'd be treated with kid gloves.

It's interesting to see Kerry being thrown under a bus for calling out a self-confessed spy who stole government documents (some admittedly damaging) and fled the country. What did people expect Kerry to say?

Demanding or suggesting he return to the U.S. to be held accountable is not unusual. Kerry has earned the right to make that call.

Like it or not, Snowden dug himself into a deeper hole with last night's interview.

During the interview, he sounded like an idiot and most of his claims were absurd. I mean, the fool admitted, in his own words, that he took damaging information and distributed it and the only thing he has as a defense is that the recipients promised not to reveal the information.

9) Snowden didn’t deny turning over secrets that would be damaging or harmful. He only said journalists have a deal with him not to do it. Just a reminder: we really have no idea how many reporters or organizations have copies of the documents or the total number of documents (it’s a Greenwald/Snowden secret), but we do know that Snowden documents have been reported by so many publications that the question arises: who doesn’t have Snowden documents?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025017514

Snowden is seeking clemency or a plea deal. Like it or not, he's going to have to deal with the U.S. justice system.

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K&R.... daleanime May 2014 #1
Thanks MohRokTah May 2014 #2
Do they have snacks in the pits? HangOnKids May 2014 #8
Lots and lots of pretzels. Autumn May 2014 #13
And some warriors? n/t HangOnKids May 2014 #19
Armchair. n/t Autumn May 2014 #23
+100 nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #24
And coming soon, a delicious new addition to the menu: QC May 2014 #26
So do you only approve of journalists who are all "rah rah USA USA, Snowden is a traitor!" Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #37
insightful analysis frylock May 2014 #38
the history of liberties in this country is based on challenges to authority. grasswire May 2014 #3
Kerry is a good soldier, just like Colin Powell. Maedhros May 2014 #11
Dangerous? LOL treestar May 2014 #4
Look around and yeah, you'll find worse justice systems mindwalker_i May 2014 #9
What a great analogy hueymahl May 2014 #30
Our justice system if pretty good? Swede Atlanta May 2014 #20
Do you really think they would give Snowden a fair and open trial? dawg May 2014 #53
Silliness ProSense May 2014 #5
... mindwalker_i May 2014 #14
Hey, this is a win-win ProSense May 2014 #15
Wow hueymahl May 2014 #32
Well ProSense May 2014 #35
This - djean111 May 2014 #6
+1000000 woo me with science May 2014 #10
His timing DOES matter whether you want to see it or not. blm May 2014 #17
Oh, that's some good food for thought. factsarenotfair May 2014 #25
blm...you can't seriously believe that the Bushies orchestrated Snowden to KoKo May 2014 #27
Skip it KoKo - I have said so from DAY ONE. Snowden was groomed to do something that would be of blm May 2014 #29
Where is the emoji with a tinfoil hat? hueymahl May 2014 #36
I don't mind slings and arrows. I know how BushInc operates. blm May 2014 #39
Note how Snowden never talks about anything bad at the CIA??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #48
Spot-on summation of why that speech was so malignant and disturbing. woo me with science May 2014 #7
meanwhile the CIC and SOS murder wedding parties with impunity then gripe msongs May 2014 #12
It's really sad to see this sort of BS struggle4progress May 2014 #16
No, ProSense May 2014 #18
He exposed shit that caused an uproar! And It needed exposed...... Logical May 2014 #34
thats the flavor of the day rtracey May 2014 #40
I wish we had a law in place to keep Skull and Bones folks out of our governmnet. n/t truedelphi May 2014 #21
Amen BrotherIvan May 2014 #28
She's upset he called Snowden "dumb" Progressive dog May 2014 #22
K & R AzDar May 2014 #31
Kerry's bleatings the last few weeks have a certain comedic charm... KG May 2014 #33
Kerry HAS to go there to prevent others from thinking they'll be the next leaking hero. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #41
The swift-boated has now become a name-calling swiftboater. canoeist52 May 2014 #42
I think people have forgotten when Kerry threw his Vietnam Medals away KoKo May 2014 #44
He did throw medals. It's unclear whose. rug May 2014 #45
So he really didn't protest with an honor of his own...but, with someone elses... KoKo May 2014 #46
That just shows how absurdly you are viewing the facts involved. blm May 2014 #49
That's a ridiculous excuse, and the ballot boxes in November will show that it's just an excuse scruboak May 2014 #52
Here you are catapulting the 'Both sides are the same vote for Republican Rand Paul' propaganda blm May 2014 #54
i agree. m-lekktor May 2014 #43
Apparently Vice.com was co-founded by Gavin McInnes of Tackling Asian Privilege fame ucrdem May 2014 #47
I disagree that moronic is over the top. He is a moron. LexVegas May 2014 #50
Oh? Did you lose money when BCCI was forced to close? blm May 2014 #51
maybe. lol...... mylye2222 May 2014 #55
oh yes. ....So moron that he made trough this very recent years mylye2222 May 2014 #56
K&R woo me with science May 2014 #57
Kerry has been wrong way too many times Harmony Blue May 2014 #58
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