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In reply to the discussion: "John Kerry's Latest Snowden Comments Are Moronic, Offensive, and Dangerous"--Nathasha Lennard [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)5. Silliness
It carries a particularly grim resonance in the wake of Chelsea Manning's military trial and conviction. That whistleblower had to "man up" in the most literal of ways: She stood trial as Bradley Manning, her legal team determining it would do the case no favors to reveal her preferred name and gender identity during the court martial.
And, indeed, military psychologists testifying at the trial pathologized Manning's gender identity as a "disorder," a designation that even the DSM-5 has scrapped. Chelsea Manning remains in a male prison. The point being, US justice has a cruel way of insisting that its victims "man up." Kerry's use of the phrase is unwitting reminder of this.
No one, fugitive whistleblower or otherwise, should heed Kerry's call to 'trust in the American justice system.'
And, indeed, military psychologists testifying at the trial pathologized Manning's gender identity as a "disorder," a designation that even the DSM-5 has scrapped. Chelsea Manning remains in a male prison. The point being, US justice has a cruel way of insisting that its victims "man up." Kerry's use of the phrase is unwitting reminder of this.
People are taking issue with Kerry stating that Snowden should be held accountable, and they're doing it by saying no one should "trust" the U.S. justice system? Kerry is a Government official.
Did people expect Snowden's claims to go unchallenged by anyone with the stature to do so? Kerry's statements were similar to what many other Democrats have said.
Snowden is the coward
Expecting any administration official to coddle Snowden is letting a bias get the best of logic. Being surprised that Kerry would point to the justice system is ridiculous.
Here's another quote:
Snowden's allegiance is to that old myth 'America the free,' while Kerry aligns uncritically with 'America the State.'
Really? Kerry aligns with the government?
Snowden and his lawyers know he broke the law. Snowden knows the extent of the information he took, as he admitted tonight. He screwed up. He's a fugitive. He's not some fragile kid, and no one should expect that he'd be treated with kid gloves.
It's interesting to see Kerry being thrown under a bus for calling out a self-confessed spy who stole government documents (some admittedly damaging) and fled the country. What did people expect Kerry to say?
Demanding or suggesting he return to the U.S. to be held accountable is not unusual. Kerry has earned the right to make that call.
Like it or not, Snowden dug himself into a deeper hole with last night's interview.
During the interview, he sounded like an idiot and most of his claims were absurd. I mean, the fool admitted, in his own words, that he took damaging information and distributed it and the only thing he has as a defense is that the recipients promised not to reveal the information.
9) Snowden didnt deny turning over secrets that would be damaging or harmful. He only said journalists have a deal with him not to do it. Just a reminder: we really have no idea how many reporters or organizations have copies of the documents or the total number of documents (its a Greenwald/Snowden secret), but we do know that Snowden documents have been reported by so many publications that the question arises: who doesnt have Snowden documents?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025017514
Snowden is seeking clemency or a plea deal. Like it or not, he's going to have to deal with the U.S. justice system.
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"John Kerry's Latest Snowden Comments Are Moronic, Offensive, and Dangerous"--Nathasha Lennard [View all]
KoKo
May 2014
OP
So do you only approve of journalists who are all "rah rah USA USA, Snowden is a traitor!"
Spider Jerusalem
May 2014
#37
Skip it KoKo - I have said so from DAY ONE. Snowden was groomed to do something that would be of
blm
May 2014
#29
Spot-on summation of why that speech was so malignant and disturbing.
woo me with science
May 2014
#7
I wish we had a law in place to keep Skull and Bones folks out of our governmnet. n/t
truedelphi
May 2014
#21
Kerry HAS to go there to prevent others from thinking they'll be the next leaking hero.
Spitfire of ATJ
May 2014
#41
That's a ridiculous excuse, and the ballot boxes in November will show that it's just an excuse
scruboak
May 2014
#52
Here you are catapulting the 'Both sides are the same vote for Republican Rand Paul' propaganda
blm
May 2014
#54