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djean111

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Thu May 29, 2014, 01:56 PM

May 2014

The underlying logic of his comment conflates "America" with the "American justice system." But if US justice is an avatar for America, it stands not as a representative but rather as an opponent to millions of Americans. And herein, I believe, lies a fundamental difference between those who see Snowden as hero and those who see him as an enemy.

It's a question of allegiance. The sort of care Snowden has exhibited towards the US is a care for its citizens: their rights, freedoms and access to knowledge about how their lives are watched and policed. His, one might say, is an allegiance to that old myth, "America the free." Kerry, meanwhile, shows his colors in aligning uncritically with "America the state."

Not to mention the people who are just enraged because Obama happened to be president when Snowden spilled the beans. Allegiance to Obama has replaced allegiance to fellow citizens.
Be that as it may, the ongoing hissy fits and vituperation directed at Snowden are pointless. Doesn't change what he revealed one iota.

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"John Kerry's Latest Snowden Comments Are Moronic, Offensive, and Dangerous"--Nathasha Lennard [View all] KoKo May 2014 OP

K&R.... daleanime May 2014 #1

Thanks MohRokTah May 2014 #2

Do they have snacks in the pits? HangOnKids May 2014 #8

Lots and lots of pretzels. Autumn May 2014 #13

And some warriors? n/t HangOnKids May 2014 #19

Armchair. n/t Autumn May 2014 #23

+100 nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #24

And coming soon, a delicious new addition to the menu: QC May 2014 #26

So do you only approve of journalists who are all "rah rah USA USA, Snowden is a traitor!" Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #37

insightful analysis frylock May 2014 #38

the history of liberties in this country is based on challenges to authority. grasswire May 2014 #3

Kerry is a good soldier, just like Colin Powell. Maedhros May 2014 #11

Dangerous? LOL treestar May 2014 #4

Look around and yeah, you'll find worse justice systems mindwalker_i May 2014 #9

What a great analogy hueymahl May 2014 #30

Our justice system if pretty good? Swede Atlanta May 2014 #20

Do you really think they would give Snowden a fair and open trial? dawg May 2014 #53

Silliness ProSense May 2014 #5

... mindwalker_i May 2014 #14

Hey, this is a win-win ProSense May 2014 #15

Wow hueymahl May 2014 #32

Well ProSense May 2014 #35

This - djean111 May 2014 #6

+1000000 woo me with science May 2014 #10

His timing DOES matter whether you want to see it or not. blm May 2014 #17

Oh, that's some good food for thought. factsarenotfair May 2014 #25

blm...you can't seriously believe that the Bushies orchestrated Snowden to KoKo May 2014 #27

Skip it KoKo - I have said so from DAY ONE. Snowden was groomed to do something that would be of blm May 2014 #29

Where is the emoji with a tinfoil hat? hueymahl May 2014 #36

I don't mind slings and arrows. I know how BushInc operates. blm May 2014 #39

Note how Snowden never talks about anything bad at the CIA??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #48

Spot-on summation of why that speech was so malignant and disturbing. woo me with science May 2014 #7

meanwhile the CIC and SOS murder wedding parties with impunity then gripe msongs May 2014 #12

It's really sad to see this sort of BS struggle4progress May 2014 #16

No, ProSense May 2014 #18

He exposed shit that caused an uproar! And It needed exposed...... Logical May 2014 #34

thats the flavor of the day rtracey May 2014 #40

I wish we had a law in place to keep Skull and Bones folks out of our governmnet. n/t truedelphi May 2014 #21

Amen BrotherIvan May 2014 #28

She's upset he called Snowden "dumb" Progressive dog May 2014 #22

K & R AzDar May 2014 #31

Kerry's bleatings the last few weeks have a certain comedic charm... KG May 2014 #33

Kerry HAS to go there to prevent others from thinking they'll be the next leaking hero. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #41

The swift-boated has now become a name-calling swiftboater. canoeist52 May 2014 #42

I think people have forgotten when Kerry threw his Vietnam Medals away KoKo May 2014 #44

He did throw medals. It's unclear whose. rug May 2014 #45

So he really didn't protest with an honor of his own...but, with someone elses... KoKo May 2014 #46

That just shows how absurdly you are viewing the facts involved. blm May 2014 #49

That's a ridiculous excuse, and the ballot boxes in November will show that it's just an excuse scruboak May 2014 #52

Here you are catapulting the 'Both sides are the same vote for Republican Rand Paul' propaganda blm May 2014 #54

i agree. m-lekktor May 2014 #43

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I disagree that moronic is over the top. He is a moron. LexVegas May 2014 #50

Oh? Did you lose money when BCCI was forced to close? blm May 2014 #51

maybe. lol...... mylye2222 May 2014 #55

oh yes. ....So moron that he made trough this very recent years mylye2222 May 2014 #56

K&R woo me with science May 2014 #57

Kerry has been wrong way too many times Harmony Blue May 2014 #58