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etherealtruth

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18. we can see it in our little microcosm (DU)

Thu May 29, 2014, 02:04 PM

May 2014

Richard Martinez is resonating ... along with the other groups have have picked up steam ... I look to the patterns here. When we see new members sign up to a reportedly liberal site solely to extoll the virtues of "gun rights" (ineloquently and inarticulately), but staying on task, no interest in posting on any other subject, no real political opinions expressed .... just the task at hand... "no limits on guns" ... "any attempts to discuss gun violence = bad"

There really does appear to be a slowly moving sea change, I am finding more and more folk that are "apolitical" or have had no opinions, now thinking more and more about this ... and expressing an interest.

none of our enumerated rights are absolute, most of them have considerable limits.

Sadly, Mr. Martinez' poignant pleas are helping change the discourse

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NRA finally meets its match: Why Richard Martinez should have them shaking [View all] DonViejo May 2014 OP

Yes, he's seen what happened to parents from Columbine to Newcastle who speak out against guns, what hlthe2b May 2014 #1

His raw emotions are formidable. They are real and I respect that. aikoaiko May 2014 #2

"Not one more" is a worthy goal, "doing something" has never been done, so the goal is just fine. Fred Sanders May 2014 #4

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Keep telling yourself that. HangOnKids May 2014 #9

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Good Luck To You HangOnKids May 2014 #14

Well, that was a short billh58 May 2014 #73

Welcome back. billh58 May 2014 #31

close Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #65

Really? flamin lib May 2014 #8

Most of the victims or family of victims are dropping off. aikoaiko May 2014 #16

First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they attack you and then you win. Ghandi flamin lib May 2014 #20

Gandhi was right about that working -- sometimes. aikoaiko May 2014 #24

I hope you have sweet dreams about that $75 million HangOnKids May 2014 #27

Since when is being paid SwankyXomb May 2014 #38

Is this a rhetorical question? aikoaiko May 2014 #41

NRA money in politics is thwarting the will of most Americans who poll overwhelmingly CTyankee May 2014 #49

I think the pendulum can swing again, but I don't the pendulum will find equililbrium aikoaiko May 2014 #51

political systems that don't respond to the will of the people have historically bad outcomes CTyankee May 2014 #56

Yes, but gun control doesn't seem that important to the majority aikoaiko May 2014 #60

We just haven't outnumbered them in Congress yet, due to the NRA money CTyankee May 2014 #66

+100 billh58 May 2014 #74

And while we are at it, why is it OK for Congress to prevent a government study of the issue? CTyankee May 2014 #89

Similar to the ALEC-backed push to hide what's in fracking fluid klook May 2014 #91

Really? flamin lib May 2014 #42

If that is meaningful action to you, then I'm happy for you. aikoaiko May 2014 #43

No, you said they all went away and that is wishful thinking bullshit. nt flamin lib May 2014 #44

I said they were "dropping off" aikoaiko May 2014 #45

Leave no nit un picked! nt flamin lib May 2014 #50

The Congress has stood in the way of the will of the people on gun control. CTyankee May 2014 #55

What you don't seem to understand... tosh May 2014 #94

I've heard this type of argument before aikoaiko May 2014 #97

I Agree nt Crabby Appleton May 2014 #87

A righteous man with a righteous cause and a firm grasp on politicial realities IS a great force. Fred Sanders May 2014 #3

Beautifully stated. blue neen May 2014 #76

The problem he will run into is that half the people in this massacre were killed by a blade JJChambers May 2014 #6

And how many were injured with a gun? nt flamin lib May 2014 #10

Please take it to another site HangOnKids May 2014 #11

We have a couple here right now .... they will get bored and go away etherealtruth May 2014 #21

I think he will not stay long! nt Logical May 2014 #37

It makes JJ uncomfortable, so we need to change the subject. Hekate May 2014 #30

Drop that BS, no sane gun owner says a knife is as easy to mass murder..... Logical May 2014 #33

I wish we could ban gun apologists. nt valerief May 2014 #40

I find "ignore" very satisfying northoftheborder May 2014 #62

I do, too. However, every year or so I clear out all my Ignores, so now I have to valerief May 2014 #72

Which tells us how easily, and quickly, he was able to double his "kill total" villager May 2014 #53

The politicians will screw it up hack89 May 2014 #7

The legislation after Sandy Hook was filibustered by flamin lib May 2014 #13

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There was no filibuster. Harry Reid agreed to a 60 vote threshold for each measure hack89 May 2014 #17

we can see it in our little microcosm (DU) etherealtruth May 2014 #18

"My son is dead. Brigid May 2014 #19

the NRA already laid into Malala Yousafzai and Gabby Giffords MisterP May 2014 #22

Probably should quit making movies glorifying teen murder like Hunger Games too. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #23

What? mac56 May 2014 #26

Damn right I'm serious. Our culture is broken. We learn our culture partly from the stories we are jtuck004 May 2014 #29

Violence can be found in PG movies, LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #47

Oh, absolutely. And the media is a show, a circus. We should all know better than jtuck004 May 2014 #82

Really? mac56 May 2014 #48

We do not have "unrestricted access to weapons". former9thward May 2014 #64

Did anything restrict the asshole in Santa Barbara from getting his hands on guns and ammo? mac56 May 2014 #68

What law do you propose that would have stopped him? former9thward May 2014 #69

No way, chum. Not going there. mac56 May 2014 #71

They can't Duckhunter935 May 2014 #77

Nice story. Do you write fiction for a living? Notice that the character starts as a "psychopath". jtuck004 May 2014 #80

Sad that you won't be reading me or replying anymore. mac56 May 2014 #88

FFS, see the 1976 Logan's Run plot. And I shot dozens of my friends.... Logical May 2014 #34

You deep thinker you. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #36

You got nothing, I understand! nt Logical May 2014 #39

You know, and I say this because I care, there are many brands of decaffeinated coffee jtuck004 May 2014 #83

Ahhhhh.......nap time? nt Logical May 2014 #85

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I wish this man's defiance would make a difference..... Swede Atlanta May 2014 #25

It tears my soul get the red out May 2014 #28

By the same logic, should I give up drinking because of deaths from DUI Travis_0004 May 2014 #84

God bless and God speed, sir Hekate May 2014 #32

I predict nothing will change!!! nt Logical May 2014 #35

But the other side has Joe the Plumber jmondine May 2014 #46

It's always been sickening how the fetishists, even here, claim empathy for victims "politicizes" villager May 2014 #52

I love the guy BeyondGeography May 2014 #54

As usual... Helen Borg May 2014 #57

I think the NRA is quite frightened by the history of MADD. They Should be. dballance May 2014 #58

and still tens of thousands die every year Duckhunter935 May 2014 #78

The difference is that the approach to reduce drunk driving blueridge3210 May 2014 #79

Gun registration & background checks are hardly analogous klook May 2014 #92

No, but attempting to address flash suppressors, magazine capacity, barrel shrouds blueridge3210 May 2014 #93

Agreed - for the most part. klook May 2014 #95

Real solutions should be the goal. blueridge3210 May 2014 #96

You're missing the big difference. aikoaiko May 2014 #98

nothing will come of it jollyreaper2112 May 2014 #59

I hope that is true, his words hit me, they were gut wrenching. Horrific club he now belongs too. Jefferson23 May 2014 #61

Nothing will come of it. sellitman May 2014 #63

It's about the "tipping point". CincyDem May 2014 #70

I got one freaking word for those who claim "politics disrepects victims" Cha May 2014 #75

Nothing will change. Mz Pip May 2014 #81

Richard Martinez is making a difference LeftFieldMom May 2014 #86

The NRA can't handle defense perdita9 May 2014 #90