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H2O Man

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44. Since you deleted

Thu May 29, 2014, 01:10 PM

May 2014

the post in which you said you have lost all respect for me, I'll respond to it here.

In my OP, I made several points. These include:

- many men are sexist assholes;
- our culture is sexist;
- men do have the right to a level playing field in family court, which has been the one area where women have had some advantages;
- men have responsibilities as fathers;
- men have the responsibility to confront those brutes who hate women;
- I am able to work, in various capacities, with both men's and women's groups.

I posted the OP, knowing that many people would disagree with some, much, or all of it. But that's what happens when one speaks about a controversial issue. Thus, I accept that you disagree to an extent that has made you lose all respect for me. It's the price I am willing to pay, for speaking about this issue in an honest way.

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H2OMan conflating the MRA groups being discussed here boston bean May 2014 #1

Probably for the same reason you got so defensive when someone linked you to the duckies site Major Nikon May 2014 #8

Right. H2O Man May 2014 #10

WRONG. boston bean May 2014 #16

Ignoring people you don't like is one thing. Refusing to post facts redqueen May 2014 #18

You think someone accusing me personally of doing something boston bean May 2014 #15

Actually I don't think it's the same Major Nikon May 2014 #17

I'll agree with one thing. Your post is definitly out there on the bullshit scale. boston bean May 2014 #19

So it's OK to associate you with the TERFs Major Nikon May 2014 #20

Yeah, that's the ticket. boston bean May 2014 #29

So are you saying HOF has never harbored any TERFs? Major Nikon May 2014 #32

Have you now or have you ever had interaction with or harbored a TERF? boston bean May 2014 #41

He's having a time out. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #46

One of yours had one of those this week. pintobean May 2014 #75

WTF one of mine? JTFrog May 2014 #99

There are times H2O Man May 2014 #22

a reasoned response. I admire your patience... ms liberty May 2014 #36

Thanks! H2O Man May 2014 #39

Just wondering jamzrockz May 2014 #102

Here is a definition maddezmom May 2014 #103

My approval isn't the issue. Your credibility is. redqueen May 2014 #26

Aren't you still being ReallyQuiet about your comments? Major Nikon May 2014 #27

Why should she? JTFrog May 2014 #28

You should ask her Major Nikon May 2014 #33

And your attempts at character assassination are pretty hateful and warped. JTFrog May 2014 #35

Since you deleted H2O Man May 2014 #44

No, actually, it's not: "plainly obvious that you are willing to go to bat for the alleged MRA sabrina 1 May 2014 #100

+1000 Katashi_itto May 2014 #54

I'd like to see examples too. nt redqueen May 2014 #13

bad timing. Whisp May 2014 #2

Exactly. H2O Man May 2014 #11

That's what I was thinking. Nt. Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #31

kick to mark for later after I have had time to think about this and reply beyond saying there are uppityperson May 2014 #3

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #24

You got two sons ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #4

yes, but sons are not material possessions. No one should own another human being. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #6

did u not read the whole thing leftyohiolib May 2014 #7

You should be whining about it too Major Nikon May 2014 #9

Are you saying that two sons are material good? Sissyk May 2014 #34

Thank you for sharing your personal journey and how society can be evolving albeit it in small ways Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #5

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #40

Your assertion that family court is unfair to men requires more than anecdotal evidence redqueen May 2014 #12

Things are getting better in the courts for Fathers. Autumn May 2014 #14

I agree. H2O Man May 2014 #45

I always hear that women do better in family court gollygee May 2014 #21

Yep. H2O Man May 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog May 2014 #23

I can name some great men's groups that ARE NOT MRA's ismnotwasm May 2014 #25

I wish you would list them. This OP definitely seems like the right place and right time and Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #43

K&R. Btw, someone was so scared of your words that they alerted on your post FSogol May 2014 #30

interesting the one "Hide It" had no comment....Come here and explain yourself! snooper2 May 2014 #38

Jeepers! H2O Man May 2014 #47

Yes, Life is a process. Sissyk May 2014 #37

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #57

If divorce has to happen (I've been through one pre kiddos) Sissyk May 2014 #74

Another great post, H20 Man. polly7 May 2014 #42

Thank you. H2O Man May 2014 #58

Terrific post, as always tkmorris May 2014 #48

Wow. Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #59

Analogy: More than a few women might have a tendency to perceive "men's rights groups" like Zorra May 2014 #49

You might be right. H2O Man May 2014 #50

I feel like I need to respond to this. one_voice May 2014 #52

Thank you. H2O Man May 2014 #62

do you think that it's mostly women in divorce who lie about geek tragedy May 2014 #68

Yeah, you have a point... one_voice May 2014 #69

Any statistics to counter the Pew study posted below, which contradicts your claim? nt redqueen May 2014 #70

Repeating your claim that there is "no doubt" is not evidence of anything. geek tragedy May 2014 #78

I didn't say it trumped theirs... one_voice May 2014 #83

you were citing your dad's case as proof that the system was biased against men. geek tragedy May 2014 #85

Fine I'll get those statistic as soon as you get me these... one_voice May 2014 #89

here ya go! geek tragedy May 2014 #91

Where in that does it say... one_voice May 2014 #94

seriously? geek tragedy May 2014 #95

No not seriously... one_voice May 2014 #97

Here is an article with some statistics from PEW research that show that in most cases, Squinch May 2014 #53

But but but ... the 70's! And, ANECDOTES! redqueen May 2014 #55

Ah, but as long as you Squinch May 2014 #56

Right untill you actually dig into the documents the article spewed its conclusions from Egnever May 2014 #72

That doesn't prove bias. redqueen May 2014 #76

It was more lopsided in mediation Egnever May 2014 #79

Since courts are tougher on mothers in general, requiring a higher standard for them, redqueen May 2014 #80

I would love to see some data that says the courts are tougher on mothers in general. Egnever May 2014 #86

I agree about the favoring of joint custody. redqueen May 2014 #88

The article that you responded to does not state things that are not borne out by its own sources. Squinch May 2014 #92

The message doesn't change when you dig into the documents. Squinch May 2014 #90

Talk about a balloon deflating. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #65

I am so sorry you had to experience that. Squinch May 2014 #66

hmm that article has a few problems Egnever May 2014 #71

Hmmm. Maybe you should read my post and the article again. What both say is that the reason Squinch May 2014 #77

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what H2O man said in his post Egnever May 2014 #84

Exellent Thread ConnorMarc May 2014 #60

Good. H2O Man May 2014 #63

An excellent post, well thought out, and well written HuskiesHowls May 2014 #61

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #64

calling bullshit on your 'friends' in NY's legal community geek tragedy May 2014 #67

from the article you applauded upthread Egnever May 2014 #73

You're silly. H2O Man May 2014 #81

how many divorce cases have you tried as an attorney lately? nt geek tragedy May 2014 #98

1 H2O Man May 2014 #101

my wife has about 70 current divorce clients. geek tragedy May 2014 #106

Always glad H2O Man May 2014 #107

likewise! nt geek tragedy May 2014 #108

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #82

The fact that women today get custody more often is due to patriarchal stereotypes. scruboak May 2014 #87

I may need to go back and reread his post Egnever May 2014 #96

I did not. H2O Man May 2014 #105

BINGO Hippo_Tron May 2014 #109

Kids do best after a split when both parents are involved with them Warpy May 2014 #93

Denmark bloom May 2014 #104

Honestly, I can't find anything at all offensive in this. FourScore Jun 2014 #110