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meegbear

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Thu May 29, 2014, 05:40 PM May 2014

The Rude Pundit: Grappling with Edward Snowden, Part 1: Thoreau Would Be Proud [View all]

Goddamn, how it must have pissed off the people who want, who need Edward Snowden, who stole and leaked reams of documents on the mass surveillance activities of the National Security Agency, to be a shit-tossing crazy beast. When Snowden appeared on NBC last night with the giant head of newsdom, Brian Williams, he was calm, rational, doubtlessly well-rehearsed, and very, very American, like "Golly-gee-whiz-Middle-American-someone-get-this-kid-a-bike" American. He wasn't wild-eyed or wooly-haired. He sounded more sane than anyone on any news network. He didn't come across as a craven weasel, nor did he come across as a utopian ideologue. He was American, part of a long tradition of Americans, who thought that his job as an American was not to prop up those in power, but to prop up and save, if necessary, the ideals of the nation, as, yes, he saw them.

You could easily see Snowden's rhetoric crossing ideological lines. He said that, in the wake of September 11, 2001, "I think it's really disingenuous for — for the government to invoke — and sort of scandalize our memories, to sort of exploit the — the national trauma that we all suffered together and worked so hard to come through to justify programs that have never been shown to keep us safe, but cost us liberties and freedoms that we don't need to give up and our Constitution says we should not give up." Those words sound for all the world like a teabagger talking about Obamacare, and that's what's fucking dangerous about Snowden. What he revealed about how wide a net the NSA has cast causes disgust on the liberal, civil liberties side of things and on the conservative, government-encroachment side, too.

The Snowden on NBC was not some dupe or naif. He merely exists in a long line of Americans who had enough of what their government was doing and decided to behave accordingly. Lacking the ability to revolt (like those law-breaking traitors, the Founders), he broke the law and engaged in civil disobedience, like unionized workers on an illegal strike, like civil rights lunch counter sitters, like bootleggers, like Vietnam War rioting protesters, like so many, right and wrong, in American history.

When the Rude Pundit thinks about Snowden, he doesn't automatically leap to Martin Luther King, Jr. for comparison. Instead, he thinks about the canonized American writer Henry David Thoreau and his essay, "Civil Disobedience." Snowden asserts the phrase in his interview, saying, "I think the most important idea is to remember that there have been times throughout American history where what is right is not the same as what is legal. Sometimes to do the right thing, you have to break a law. And the key there is in terms of civil disobedience." He says, quite rightly, that the idea of coming back to the United States from Russia to "face the music" is ludicrous since he wouldn't be afforded the opportunity to plead his actual case. The rules have changed in the post-9/11 world. Imagine what Daniel Ellsberg would go through if he revealed the Pentagon Papers today.

It sounds like what Thoreau describes: "Unjust laws exist; shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse."

Snowden also sounds like Thoreau when he talks about the need for spying and the good that intelligence gathering can do, but that he chafes at the massive expansion of that gathering. Wrote Thoreau, "If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go; perchance it will wear smooth — certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine." Snowden threw his body into the gears.

And even if you're not in a position to stop the machine, Thoreau offers this bit of advice, "What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn." It's the least we can do.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/05/grappling-with-edward-snowden-part-1.html

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excellent! m-lekktor May 2014 #1
And a nod to Mario Savio gratuitous May 2014 #2
+1 nashville_brook May 2014 #10
Kerry is on the inside now. JDPriestly May 2014 #61
yep, and yep nt grasswire May 2014 #68
Well the Rude one gets it right again! K&R! Nt riderinthestorm May 2014 #3
Rude Pundit...you are now DEAD TO ME!!!1! bullwinkle428 May 2014 #4
meegbear, this is so excellent - thanks for bringing it truedelphi May 2014 #5
Toss in a little Mario Savio as well starroute May 2014 #6
Wonderful article, thanks for posting this. Autumn May 2014 #7
The oligarchs are bipartisan. They favor the Republicans because they rhett o rick May 2014 #8
political parties lose elections, but the Military Industrial Complex never does carolinayellowdog May 2014 #20
yeah, we made and funded a shadow government...the NSA nt Leme May 2014 #40
Huzzah! grasswire May 2014 #9
LOL! Thoreau didn't pay taxes. So it's hilarious to even bring him up. KittyWampus May 2014 #11
Are you saying he's part of the 47%? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #13
So now even Thoreau is thrown under the bus?! riderinthestorm May 2014 #14
At that time in the 19th Century gratuitous May 2014 #24
O.M.G. BrotherIvan May 2014 #35
Where are all the unhinged authoritarians? whatchamacallit May 2014 #12
Yielding to Rude... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #22
This article was crap. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #15
You can always tell when Rude really believes something mindwalker_i May 2014 #34
Outstanding, woo me with science May 2014 #16
Great piece by the Rude One! Thank you for posting it! scarletwoman May 2014 #17
Comrade Lee Capt. Obvious May 2014 #18
brilliant with nary a rude word carolinayellowdog May 2014 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #21
Not to tarnish the rep of an ENG 101 icon but . . ucrdem May 2014 #23
I gotta shake my head... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #25
Snowden didn't throw his body under any gears, he hightailed it to Moscow ucrdem May 2014 #26
Well back then they would not have tortured Thoreau and tossed him in jail for life zeemike May 2014 #33
Thoreau would not have been tortured n/t eridani May 2014 #36
Well Said Sir - I Can Only Hope More Americans Wake Up And Soon cantbeserious May 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity May 2014 #28
Snowden should be worshiped by fox news maindawg May 2014 #29
K & R... elzenmahn May 2014 #30
Excellent. Thank you. 840high May 2014 #31
The big difference is that when Thoreau committed his acts of civil disobedience... George II May 2014 #32
Neither were tortured eridani May 2014 #37
Then why would he be compared to Thoreau? One doesn't pick and choose what one likes... George II May 2014 #41
honestly, why do you care? nt grasswire May 2014 #52
Why do I care? George II May 2014 #55
"we"? grasswire May 2014 #56
Mighty presumptuous of you. George II May 2014 #63
not at all when you fly the Maple Leaf. nt grasswire May 2014 #64
I have my personal reasons. I'm a native born American! George II May 2014 #66
yeah? grasswire May 2014 #67
So in order to be taken seriously TBF May 2014 #39
Not necessarily a marty, but willing to accept the consequences of his actions.... George II May 2014 #42
Marty, he's got enemy capital!! bobduca May 2014 #44
This is now a much different nation. Enthusiast May 2014 #49
Civil Disobedience - TBF May 2014 #38
I agree but I think it goes much much farther Leme May 2014 #43
I agree with you. nt TBF May 2014 #45
And our government continues to lie about - everything. chimpymustgo May 2014 #46
Beautiful. bvar22 May 2014 #47
^^^^^^ grasswire May 2014 #53
On the Wrong Side of most of the Patriots who served our Country, bvar22 May 2014 #59
Anyone that recommended this post are nothing but damned commies. Enthusiast May 2014 #48
what the Rude Pundit fails to recognize is that if you criticize the government the terrorist have Douglas Carpenter May 2014 #50
All the political asylum seekers in America should be told to "man up" and sent home. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #51
that's an interesting point. nt grasswire May 2014 #54
No, they proved actual persecution to get that treestar May 2014 #60
Excellent post. Thank you. JDPriestly May 2014 #57
Well said Rudie malaise May 2014 #58
I feel like kicking this again. grasswire May 2014 #62
I'm guessing Rude Pundit & the OP never actually read "Civil Disobedience". baldguy May 2014 #65
Civil disobedience has many forms Harmony Blue May 2014 #70
I hope you are kidding. baldguy May 2014 #71
kick woo me with science May 2014 #69
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