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Vattel

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59. The question is quite obviously a question about the NSA's interpretation of its legal authorities.

Thu May 29, 2014, 06:12 PM

May 2014

I mean, seriously, read the email.

On edit, nvm, here is the relevant part:

After a mandatory training course about an agency directive that prohibits collecting information about Americans, Snowden asked NSA lawyers to clarify the hierarchy of government legal documents. At the top he listed the U.S. Constitution, followed by federal statutes and presidential executive orders, then Pentagon and Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) regulations and, at the bottom, directives and policies from the NSA.
“I’m not entirely certain, but this does not seem correct,” Snowden wrote, “as it seems to imply Executive Orders have the same precedence as law."

Now tell me that he is not asking about the NSA's interpretation of its legal authorities.

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Snowden email fell short of NSA criticism [View all] ProSense May 2014 OP

But, his support is through the roof since last night. I know, because I heard it on the internetz. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #1

are you going to post your poll from JANUARY again? nt grasswire May 2014 #2

Do you have one more recent? I think you'll find nothing's changed. Unless you want to brag... Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #18

Everybody knows counting tweets with specific hastags is the single most scientific polling method. MohRokTah May 2014 #15

Well, isn't that how everybody does it? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #17

Actually...this fucks him in a court of law...a moderately intelligent msanthrope May 2014 #3

Greenwald on Snowden's e-mail claim: "Biggest news from NBC/Snowden interview" ProSense May 2014 #4

OMG....so an EO can't override a law? That was his question? Graduate from msanthrope May 2014 #6

LOL! n/t ProSense May 2014 #7

but.......... grasswire May 2014 #25

Okay...so what you are saying is that after he met with GG, and stole documents, he was sending msanthrope May 2014 #29

purposes? grasswire May 2014 #30

Quite honestly the idea Egnever May 2014 #44

Snowden could have said, "In what regards, Brian?" and his defenders ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #99

The NSA response seemed pretty straightforward JaneyVee May 2014 #5

He stole 1.7 million documents and ProSense May 2014 #9

That was his Super Secret Double Naught Spy plan all along MohRokTah May 2014 #16

he didn't keep the documents, either. grasswire May 2014 #23

. ProSense May 2014 #28

hey, that's his explanation grasswire May 2014 #31

So he's the one who thinks he's "clever" for not having any proof of his claims? ProSense May 2014 #33

Why didn't he ask GG or LP to hold all his emails, then? MADem May 2014 #57

"I mean, come on--if he made numerous complaints, why not keep a record of them?".. Cha May 2014 #88

He's pretty fucking compromised by being stuck in Russia for the rest of his life! randome May 2014 #72

the whole thing is just embarrassing , he reminds me of o'keefe JI7 May 2014 #8

It's ridiculous, and ProSense May 2014 #10

Well, Greenwald does have a book to sell. baldguy May 2014 #76

And, why wouldn't GG claim the email is big news? He's been blowing everything else out Cha May 2014 #89

But the NSA said there were no records of Snowden reporting his concerns. Octafish May 2014 #11

This is a question about training. Snowden got caught in a lie. n/t ProSense May 2014 #12

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #22

From the OP: ProSense May 2014 #27

I don't call a characterization from "The Hill" as "facts. grasswire May 2014 #32

No, the only "facts" are pro-Snowden hype. n/t ProSense May 2014 #43

What do you think about the NSA spying on America? Octafish May 2014 #36

I think we have no evidence of it. We now have claims from a proven liar. nt stevenleser May 2014 #85

He is not a liar. 840high May 2014 #92

He's a liar. He said he raised his concerns in an email to the OGC. Now he is backing away from that stevenleser May 2014 #94

Someone alerted on your post, claiming your link crashed their computer... SidDithers May 2014 #101

Yeah, I responded to that person below. It's an official government website stevenleser May 2014 #104

Snowden didn't get caught in a lie. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #73

Yes, he did. n/t ProSense May 2014 #74

So you were wrong the first 58 times you called him a liar. But this time, by golly, you'll win. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #75

Snowden ProSense May 2014 #77

Links, by Christ. I demand links. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #81

Read the email. He didn't 'report' anything. randome May 2014 #13

Did you read the email Snowden's talked about or the one the NSA released? Octafish May 2014 #38

"The email Snowden's talked about"? Where is it documented? The guy is a liar. stevenleser May 2014 #79

THAT WEBSITE CRASHED MY COMPUTER. Octafish May 2014 #100

For Juror # 4 Octafish May 2014 #102

That is an official government website. If you had a crash, the issue is your computer. stevenleser May 2014 #103

This is NOT a "report" uponit7771 May 2014 #24

So? Snowden is concerned the NSA is illegally spying on America and Snowden's the problem? Octafish May 2014 #39

Spy agencies AND Snowden can BOTH be the problem it's not either or ... and with Snowden uponit7771 May 2014 #71

The only suggestion about NSA illegal spying is now coming from a documented liar. nt stevenleser May 2014 #87

Yes, because the nation's press corpse has zero interest in that part of the story. Octafish May 2014 #98

see my post #25 nt grasswire May 2014 #26

''I don't think it means what you think it means.'' Octafish May 2014 #41

Did you read the email Snowden is trying to pass off as "reporting his concerns"? stevenleser May 2014 #78

Laurel and Hardy stuff. Whisp May 2014 #14

it's like republicans with benghazi JI7 May 2014 #19

You are right. It's Ben-NSA-hazi! Whisp May 2014 #20

Call the Mounties! grasswire May 2014 #21

oh, that's embarrassing nt geek tragedy May 2014 #34

Lol. The title of the post should be: "Email supports Snowden's claims" Vattel May 2014 #35

that's not raising issues of illegal conduct geek tragedy May 2014 #37

He claimed that in emails to NSA lawyers, Vattel May 2014 #40

that's not whistleblowing. he's asking basic admin law questions geek tragedy May 2014 #42

Did he say that every email he ever wrote accused the NSA of illegality? Vattel May 2014 #46

the question, did he write any emails alleging wrongdoing geek tragedy May 2014 #50

He's now claiming his real concerns were in an email to the NSA Signals Intelligence Directorate stevenleser May 2014 #86

"the email was sent months after his initial contacts with Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald " ProSense May 2014 #45

Does the fact that he wrote the email after he already had an interest in leaking things Vattel May 2014 #47

Yes, and it also gives rise to other questions. n/t ProSense May 2014 #48

What does it contradict? Vattel May 2014 #49

His other ProSense May 2014 #51

Sorry, but there is no contradiction there. Vattel May 2014 #55

Sure there is, you just refuse to see it ProSense May 2014 #58

So tell me what the contradiction is. Vattel May 2014 #61

Question: Given that it was clearly a training-related question, ProSense May 2014 #52

Are you serious? Go back and read my post and the email and what Snowden said. Vattel May 2014 #54

Yes, I'm "serious." ProSense May 2014 #56

The question is quite obviously a question about the NSA's interpretation of its legal authorities. Vattel May 2014 #59

Here, ProSense May 2014 #62

Awesome, the email itself. Vattel May 2014 #64

"The training included information..." ProSense May 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel May 2014 #68

Okay, so I guess in your view NSA training cannot include information about Vattel May 2014 #70

You would think a guy who is smarter than the average bear (US or Russian, presumably), would have MADem May 2014 #53

Really.. but, why would Snowden save this email that the NSA released? Because it doesn't Cha May 2014 #90

This does not disprove my theory. n/t itsrobert May 2014 #60

You have a "theory"? What is it? n/t ProSense May 2014 #63

That Snowden is an idiot. n/t itsrobert May 2014 #65

Do you ProSense May 2014 #67

The most naive man in the first half of the 21st century. randome May 2014 #80

Feinstein: Snowden never voiced NSA concerns ProSense May 2014 #69

Feinstein - lol 840high May 2014 #93

I disagree with your OP title and the title of the article. stevenleser May 2014 #82

He asked a question, goddamnit! What more do you need to know? randome May 2014 #83

Now he's claiming that the OGC email wasn't the important one, it was the Signals Directorate email. stevenleser May 2014 #84

I suspect the NSA will be releasing it shortly. joshcryer May 2014 #95

Ah, so that's why this email was released Number23 May 2014 #97

Ah, but what was the Cha May 2014 #91

Dude and his "revelations" have been a big disappointment. BenzoDia May 2014 #96