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47. This is what she said:

Thu May 29, 2014, 07:33 PM

May 2014

How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”? How many men, raised on a steady diet of Judd Apatow comedies in which the shlubby arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude, “It’s not fair”?

Here is an answer: easily over 10 million people, including a sizable number of students, probably watched Neighbors, including several million overseas. And exactly one went on a murderous rampage. Which suggests that whatever linkage Hornaday was trying to draw should be viewed pretty skeptically.

And as far as movies making viewers feel "it's not fair" -- well, it wouldn't come as a surprise that for every 10 picked on kids that was given hope by a movie like the Karate Kid, there may be one who sees the movie as depicting a happy ending that eludes them.

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Rogen, Apatow surprisingly unsympathetic to accusation that their movies caused IV killings. [View all] Warren DeMontague May 2014 OP

Why should they be sympathetic? BeyondGeography May 2014 #1

That was a jaw dropping stupid article. alphafemale May 2014 #49

Well, given that it was a bullshit argument to begin with..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #2

Stupid accusation deserved to be answered harshly. CBGLuthier May 2014 #3

How about we blame the unmedicated, untreated, antisocial asshole who did the crime? MADem May 2014 #76

What a ludicrous accusation! Agschmid May 2014 #4

Besides you and Seth Rogen, who else said they "caused" it? redqueen May 2014 #5

It's not "my" spin. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #7

You made up the headline using his spin. nt redqueen May 2014 #11

HE himself used the word "caused". Warren DeMontague May 2014 #14

Yeah, he made up the accusation and you just decided his spin made a better headline. redqueen May 2014 #18

The thread is ABOUT his response to the WP editorial. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #19

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #21

Ouch, I think I need sunscreen. X_Digger May 2014 #23

Here ya go opiate69 May 2014 #27

I know! nt RiffRandell May 2014 #79

Really? Then what is this about? BainsBane May 2014 #82

I already answered her. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #110

Perhaps some people need more clarification. RiffRandell May 2014 #118

I read her stupid in full. She gratuitously mentioned them, she deserves the feedback they gave her. msanthrope May 2014 #9

Here's what she said: Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #10

And again, this is clearly someone who has never been within 10 miles of Isla Vista. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #15

So would Hornaday be happier if in Apatow's movies onenote May 2014 #26

Seth Rogan is not a good looking man CrawlingChaos May 2014 #57

Do you have any data to back up your supposition? AngryAmish May 2014 #60

Good post theHandpuppet May 2014 #80

What's amusing is that someone above actually asked for "data" to prove it. redqueen May 2014 #81

Oh, but if a man made a negative comment about a woman's looks on DU RiffRandell May 2014 #84

LOL redqueen May 2014 #85

Bullshit. RiffRandell May 2014 #83

LMAO! redqueen May 2014 #86

Average? RiffRandell May 2014 #96

We have an ignore button on DU for a very good reason MindMover May 2014 #108

I can't believe you think any of that helps your case CrawlingChaos May 2014 #119

I can! redqueen May 2014 #124

Yes, she was making that point treestar May 2014 #121

Hey, I got one for ya'... Ferretherder May 2014 #122

you're describing a very tired TV trope which is sometimes called "oaf and shrew" CrawlingChaos May 2014 #123

You don't call out famous people by name .... MicaelS May 2014 #38

Actually, I'm sure it was Dungeons and Dragons. AngryAmish May 2014 #58

But I look to them for intellectual guidance! phil89 May 2014 #6

I don't know what caused it, but I do find it interesting that people who've never set foot in IV Warren DeMontague May 2014 #8

I once rioted there, but that was back when Ronald Reagan was governor. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #12

Did you burn the Bank of America? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #13

Not me personally. But I watched it burn. And cheered. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #24

It has changed, for sure. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #25

Personally I look to 10 foot tall 3D blue aliens for intellectual guidance. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #16

if a person's day job is to write about stuff like this, they geek tragedy May 2014 #17

It's pretty shoddy, to say the least. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #20

of course, ironic thing is Seth Rogen is married to Lauren Miller geek tragedy May 2014 #32

I think the only Seth Rogen movie I've ever seen was the pineapple pot one. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #34

Honest question: Raine1967 May 2014 #22

Because Arthur Chu isn't calling Seth Rogen out? Humanist_Activist May 2014 #28

Hornaday was writing of the film culture, something she knows. Raine1967 May 2014 #33

Mr. Chu was calling out a large subsection of nerd culture... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #36

I think the use of Rogen and Apatow's names, plus ... MicaelS May 2014 #40

Hornaday has never been particularly critical of Apatow's movies onenote May 2014 #42

Watch her video response at the link to her article. Raine1967 May 2014 #44

Neither did she treestar May 2014 #39

Actually, from what I gather from her article, she thinks those movies "conditioned" Humanist_Activist May 2014 #43

High school conditions people to it then. Blue_Adept May 2014 #102

I think our entire culture expects us, from teenagehood on, to try to find validation in others... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #107

This is what she said: onenote May 2014 #47

one murderous rampage, but how much misogyny and sexual assault? CrawlingChaos May 2014 #62

Thank you for your posts in this thread. nt redqueen May 2014 #66

Absolutely correct. Hornaday is right. kwassa May 2014 #70

You should tweet Rogen directly, and ask him. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #29

Did you read her original piece? Raine1967 May 2014 #46

Can you draw the link between having more female voices in Hollywood onenote May 2014 #48

Was the Chu piece published in a major media outlet comparable to Washington Post? opiate69 May 2014 #30

I would consider the Daily beast a major outlet. Raine1967 May 2014 #31

It's a fine source for the latest dish on that saucy royal family, i say! Brilliant! Warren DeMontague May 2014 #35

Thanks for the lnk to Chu's piece. nt redqueen May 2014 #37

You're welcome. nt. Raine1967 May 2014 #45

Since when do accusers expect or even deserve sympathy from the accused? JVS May 2014 #41

She's right. The Movie, Music and Gaming (Entertainment) industry share responsibility with the NRA 951-Riverside May 2014 #50

I don't buy the blame movies, video games, etc. line. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #51

Just like that gun he used, the views in his head didn't magically get there. 951-Riverside May 2014 #54

And millions of people heard Helter Skelter and went on killing sprees onenote May 2014 #55

Interesting enough, gun nuts frequently use your argument. n/t 951-Riverside May 2014 #59

While I am sympathetic to your larger point Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #77

Like I said, I don't buy the blame video games, movies, music angle. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #56

Re: " I don't think media gives anyone ideas they wouldn't have had anyway." 951-Riverside May 2014 #63

right, those are BOTH arguments and declarative statements, which means... they're the same. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #68

You're probably right ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #65

I guess, but it also troubles me that Eminem's lyrics are blamed when a Nickelback fan kills people. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #69

He played Wow, one of the nerdiest games out there. Jamastiene May 2014 #64

Have you ever PVP'd in WoW LostOne4Ever May 2014 #78

ROFL! Jamastiene May 2014 #95

Also, according to FB, Elliot Rodgers wasn't so much an eminem fan, as he was a fan of Katy Perry Warren DeMontague May 2014 #61

Gee I wonder why Doctor_J May 2014 #52

thanking Mr. Apatow Skittles May 2014 #53

sorry, Hornaday is correct. read her entire piece. kwassa May 2014 #71

I saw Fox News asking if Hollywood is to blame Skittles May 2014 #74

All of this hand wringing is pathetic.. sendero May 2014 #67

It's a bloody tabula rasa on which people get to paint their favorite societal ill. X_Digger May 2014 #72

But we all know, "It's the guns, stupid!" nt valerief May 2014 #106

Right on time. I wondered how long that'd take. Thanks for proving my point. n/t X_Digger May 2014 #117

Yet. He got his belief from somewhere. kwassa May 2014 #73

He also believed he was 'entitled' to get on an amusement park ride at 6 years old despite Warren DeMontague May 2014 #75

Jealousy, envy The2ndWheel May 2014 #87

It is getting worse. redqueen May 2014 #88

Maybe it's the internet's fault then The2ndWheel May 2014 #90

Of course it is a combination of things.And this writer said he *may have been influenced*. redqueen May 2014 #93

She basically called him out The2ndWheel May 2014 #94

Well said. It's silly to blame movies and/or video games for the actions of one Louisiana1976 May 2014 #109

People are using it to promote a agenda for their own gain Harmony Blue May 2014 #120

It's time we stop blaming everyone but the killer. Sissyk May 2014 #89

What about his parents? closeupready May 2014 #92

I don't know them. I don't know what they'd done for him. Sissyk May 2014 #97

A lot of truth in what you posted here. closeupready May 2014 #98

You're very welcome! Sissyk May 2014 #100

They also were apparently en route from LA to try to get him due to the posting of his videos Warren DeMontague May 2014 #112

I didn't know that. Sissyk May 2014 #113

Yeah. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #114

That makes my heart break for them. Sissyk May 2014 #115

As I've said elsewhere, I have more than a slight personal connection to that piece of real estate Warren DeMontague May 2014 #116

There's lots of $$$ in violent and misogynistic films. closeupready May 2014 #91

If it was the end of discussion, we wouldn't still be discussing it. Sissyk May 2014 #99

Right, I guess I meant not "end of discussion", lol closeupready May 2014 #101

I agree with that. Sissyk May 2014 #103

YW. Have a great weekend. closeupready May 2014 #105

Crazy. Everyone knows it's James Bond's fault (Sean Connery, mostly). valerief May 2014 #104

He had a robo-liver, too. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #111