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192. The Chinese did not acknowledge the "pull."

Thu May 29, 2014, 08:44 PM

May 2014

They played the "problem with the paperwork" game--it that "James" or "Joseph" as the middle name? Let's dither while he gets his ticket, goes through security, and gets on the plane! Ooops! Too late!

They wanted Snowden OUTTA THERE. They didn't want the problem. They didn't want him arrested in Hong Kong, they wanted to maintain the Great Fiction that Hong Kong is an enclave that gives a shit about "rights" in contrast to China (Big Lie--when Beijing says JUMP, Hong Kong says HOW HIGH?).

They pushed him off on Putin, and Putin, having hosted Snowden at the Russian consulate in Hong Kong, was "ready to receive." For all we know, China and Russia worked a deal to make sure that China had trouble processing the US request, so Snowden would fall right into Putin's loving embrace.

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*********The Official "It's Not About Meeeee" Snowden Interview Live Thread************* [View all] msanthrope May 2014 OP

Turn on NBC--some dude is trying to twerk and be funny. What the Fuck?? nt msanthrope May 2014 #1

Okay--it's another show. Sadly, the remote was under my dog's ass. This made a change, however, msanthrope May 2014 #2

For my SOTU live blog, I highlight the incoming Senators, House Members, SCOTUS, etc..... msanthrope May 2014 #3

For my SOTU Live blog, I also usually do the response....this was Marco Rubio.... msanthrope May 2014 #4

Excellent thread on the financial connections between Greenwald and NBC News--- msanthrope May 2014 #5

Oooohhhhh...commercial for NBC John Malkovich show. Looks Good. nt msanthrope May 2014 #6

Brian Williams has taken on the color of John Boehner..... nt msanthrope May 2014 #7

OMG. Someone dyed him orange??? greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #8

It might be the lighting. nt msanthrope May 2014 #10

Williams opens "Snowden came armed with talking points." nt msanthrope May 2014 #9

In other words, Williams wasn't allowed to ask really hard questions, I bet. randome May 2014 #11

Well, the media deal that Greenwald and NBC have may preclude any "surprises." Follow the money! nt msanthrope May 2014 #20

GG on Brian Williams .. "NBC News� top hagiographer" by Glenn Greenwald/Fucking Hypocrite Cha May 2014 #175

Shit Charles Johnson nailed him dead on.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #183

Snowden opens with challenge that government must show that he did harm. msanthrope May 2014 #12

Snowden cannot meet the eyes of Williams, constantly looking down to the left. nt msanthrope May 2014 #13

Noticed that too. berni_mccoy May 2014 #18

That is a sure tell. Whisp May 2014 #32

He's got a panoply of tics and tells--very carefully edited out by Poitras, but note that every msanthrope May 2014 #36

well now I'm feeling sorry and scared for the idiot. Whisp May 2014 #45

Williams points out that Snowden's passport WAS PULLED before he got on the plane to Russia. nt msanthrope May 2014 #14

No proof of that offered. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #16

Did Snowden dispute? randome May 2014 #19

Actually, my phone rang right as Williams said that. msanthrope? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #25

Nope...nt msanthrope May 2014 #29

When the classified information was released, that is exactly what happened. A very stupid thing to lostincalifornia May 2014 #33

The Chinese did not acknowledge the "pull." MADem May 2014 #192

Snowden now disclaiming that he ever had contacts in Russia....took nothing to Russia....Claims msanthrope May 2014 #15

Must have given it to China before he left for Russia... berni_mccoy May 2014 #21

He "handed them off." Bobbie Jo May 2014 #22

Who are you going to trust? randome May 2014 #23

"Snowden stayed at Russian consulate while in Hong Kong" Number23 May 2014 #177

Right--no contacts, but has an FSB lawyer awaiting his arrival. Absolute liar......nt msanthrope May 2014 #184

Bottom line: Once he MADE THE POINT, why continue. n/t UTUSN May 2014 #17

Snowden now tells us what he is---"trained as a spy!" nt msanthrope May 2014 #24

The "totality of my experience."--worked undercover for CIA, worked as a lecturer. nt msanthrope May 2014 #26

Obama said he was a low-level administrator, a "hacker". Why did the president down-play ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #37

Have you noted that Snowden hasn't provided a scrap of proof? nt msanthrope May 2014 #39

Yes, I have. But people usually do not come to interviews with material to backup their ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #55

Why would anyone automatically believe a guy hiding in Russia? randome May 2014 #41

Snowden didn't say the president called him a low-level hacker. The president said that. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #47

I know. I believe the President more than I do Snowden. randome May 2014 #59

EDITED: Neither side is offering any proof of their claims, but I tend to put more faith in the ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #63

He claims he was outside the NSA on 9.11......nt msanthrope May 2014 #27

Anyone find a live stream yet? Whisp May 2014 #28

here m-lekktor May 2014 #43

Thanks! Whisp May 2014 #51

US should not be a "security state." So of course, he joined the CIA. nt msanthrope May 2014 #30

Where else would he get the opportunity to shoot leakers in the balls? randome May 2014 #35

Claiming Special Forces now....nt msanthrope May 2014 #31

Snowden was still talking when he was cut off by commercial break. What did he go ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #34

NBC News and Greenwald have a financial deal, detailed above. I'm sure Snowden will do just fine. msanthrope May 2014 #38

Williams holds an IPhone---what can be done with it???? Snowden claims msanthrope May 2014 #40

Unlikely. The owner would have to allow it. berni_mccoy May 2014 #44

Claims all these things can be done---but gives no proof. nt msanthrope May 2014 #42

Today's show sounds like a true circus. nt Jamaal510 May 2014 #171

Then details what can happen to you if you turn your phone on---you should be AFRAID that someone msanthrope May 2014 #46

Computer programs can get inside your thought process!!! Be afraid!!! nt msanthrope May 2014 #48

And never, ever specifies whether this is being used against illegitimate targets. randome May 2014 #57

Note, he hasn't once claimed to have illegally targeted anyone. Who did he illegally target that msanthrope May 2014 #64

"Are you with someone who is not your wife" - is what SNOWjob is shocked by. nt UTUSN May 2014 #49

Exactly.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #56

Where are those copies of those emails to NSA authorities, Snowden? Whisp May 2014 #60

Since he's a trained spy, in the traditional sense, what's the prob with sex v. spy UTUSN May 2014 #65

He wants Congress to get them. You'd think he might have taken copies with him....or the msanthrope May 2014 #67

Thought forms Bobbie Jo May 2014 #50

He's now decrying how "dirty" the targeting is. Talking about "respect." nt msanthrope May 2014 #52

Exec summary: it's all legal but you still should be very afraid. ucrdem May 2014 #53

Claims he went through channels....claims there's emails. Of course...he kept no copies. nt msanthrope May 2014 #54

Claims he "reported" things.....but has no copies, and filed no actual whistleblower complaints. nt msanthrope May 2014 #58

NBC claims there might be one email to the Office of General Counsel. But Snowden kept no copies. n msanthrope May 2014 #61

"What happens to people who stand up etc." ucrdem May 2014 #62

And he didn't retain a copy?? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #66

Exactly--he forgot to take the evidence that he was a whistleblower.....now, msanthrope May 2014 #68

So--he takes a position to steal documents.....but forgets to steal evidence of whistleblowing. nt msanthrope May 2014 #69

Snowden claims he didn't take info that would cause lives to be at risk....but didn't read msanthrope May 2014 #70

He refuses to answer when he decided to steal documents. randome May 2014 #71

More espionage charges. nt msanthrope May 2014 #73

Now Greenwald is sitting in--nt msanthrope May 2014 #72

Snowden wants others to read what he stole, and take responsibility for harm. nt msanthrope May 2014 #74

If someone came to your house/work and copied your computer files Whisp May 2014 #75

Williams discloses financial relationship with Greenwald. nt msanthrope May 2014 #76

Tell us what you turned over to Xi, Eddie. ucrdem May 2014 #77

SNOWDEN does NOT DENY turning over military secrets--merely promises they won't be published..... msanthrope May 2014 #78

Yeah, that stood out to me, too. randome May 2014 #79

That is the money shot--it means NBC News and other organizations were given military secrets and msanthrope May 2014 #82

Brian Williams ended the segment with the kinfe to Snowden---noting that military secrets were msanthrope May 2014 #80

.... greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #81

Is that like an oath? Or a non-disclosure agreement? randome May 2014 #84

10 fuckin' tons of irony should hit that twit....nt msanthrope May 2014 #94

Snowden: "they won't be published" -- doesn't mean he won't sell them to highest bidder... berni_mccoy May 2014 #86

Or someone who has them now won't have them stolen, sold, etc......nt msanthrope May 2014 #90

He said he gave everything to the journalists... Whisp May 2014 #97

"I'm not going to walk into a jail cell." nt msanthrope May 2014 #83

He claims he has special charges laid against him...that's why he doesn't have to face the law. nt msanthrope May 2014 #85

He can't stand trial because he will be hampered by the law. nt msanthrope May 2014 #87

Claiming "civil disobedience" but without going to jail. nt msanthrope May 2014 #88

"I'm still working for the government." nt msanthrope May 2014 #89

He just didn't say which government (Russian) berni_mccoy May 2014 #92

Now he's Henry Thoreau ucrdem May 2014 #91

Yeah--but unlike them, prison is too good for him. He isn't doing us any good by being in a jail msanthrope May 2014 #93

Excellent point. ucrdem May 2014 #95

"Circumstances trapped me here!" Oh for Christ sake....he just started watching The Wire. nt msanthrope May 2014 #96

"Rights are being challenged" in Russia. nt msanthrope May 2014 #98

Now he wants to talk tee-vee. ucrdem May 2014 #99

Being a patriot means knowing when to pull the plug on entitlements. ucrdem May 2014 #103

He's limited about advocating for rights in Russia because he doesn't speak Russian....nt msanthrope May 2014 #100

He sees himself as a "Patriot." nt msanthrope May 2014 #101

Which doesn't mean supporting programs. Except defense programs. nt ucrdem May 2014 #106

How is he serving his government? He's been so careful with his releases.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #102

"The most trusted journalistic institutions in America." randome May 2014 #104

Holy shit.....I was laughing my ass off at that, too.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #107

OMG--"people have unfairly demonized the NSA!" Make up your mind, Eddie. nt msanthrope May 2014 #105

Ummm.... like HIM? AnnieBW May 2014 #116

Of all the things he misses, he never mentions his girlfriend, who said she was devastated. randome May 2014 #108

Girlfriend may have dumped him. nt msanthrope May 2014 #109

What I'm saying is, it's not the NSA, it's that [indistinct] in the White House ucrdem May 2014 #110

EXACTLY.....that came through, loud and clear. nt msanthrope May 2014 #113

Snowden's motives are irrelevant to me. This is between the USG and those who vote and pay for them merrily May 2014 #111

DU rec... SidDithers May 2014 #112

The person ProSense May 2014 #114

Yeah, he's a real Jason Bourne... AnnieBW May 2014 #115

Thanks for making this thread. Verrrrry interesting. n/t Whisp May 2014 #117

Now listening to the Ambassdor skewing Snowden's lies on the live stream.... msanthrope May 2014 #119

Mitchell dissing Kerry and cuddling Snowden. Whisp May 2014 #123

But then turned around and noted that Snowden is "radicalized." nt msanthrope May 2014 #125

Mitchell just knifed him, though....says possible letter he sent would have been April 2013..... msanthrope May 2014 #131

Maybe Greenwald suggested he send that letter. randome May 2014 #135

This is getting dangerously close to implicating Greenwald. MohRokTah May 2014 #140

Oh no--Glenn is that stupid----if you look at the case he defended msanthrope May 2014 #185

Well, if he did, that was amazingly stupid advice. nt msanthrope May 2014 #153

Now listening to the Ambassador ---who is skewing him over the passport bullshit msanthrope May 2014 #118

Former ambassador notes that Snowden is not "stuck" in Russia--Russia is a sovereign nation, could msanthrope May 2014 #120

Russia could give him citizenship if they'd like. They did it with Gerard Depardieu, after all. MADem May 2014 #190

NOTE--the live stream continues, with snowden being SKEWERED by American Ambassador..... msanthrope May 2014 #121

I'm late to the party but the title "Inside the mind of Edward Snowden" ecstatic May 2014 #122

Andrea Mitchell "He seems to have been radicalized." LIVE STREAM>>>> msanthrope May 2014 #124

Good grief...Andrea, go away! elias49 May 2014 #134

"Snowden is naive and mistaken" about the harm he is caused, and is naive about msanthrope May 2014 #126

"SNOOOWDENNNNN!!!" whatchamacallit May 2014 #127

Jesus fuck, if anything deserves a trigger warning... randome May 2014 #130

Haha sorry whatchamacallit May 2014 #132

Mitchell just revealed something interesting-Snowden claims to have sent a letter in APRIL 2013--- msanthrope May 2014 #128

Snowden went to Hawaii to intentionally leak Whisp May 2014 #129

Look at the time--he sent the letter Mitchell is talking about in April 2013....after he stole. nt msanthrope May 2014 #133

I know...it's almost 11:30 and you're still at it! elias49 May 2014 #137

NBC is still showing the Snowden interview online.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #143

Damn, missed the meltdown because I'm watching the Hawks/Kings game MohRokTah May 2014 #136

How so? elias49 May 2014 #138

Can tell you're a real sports fan. MohRokTah May 2014 #142

Cool. elias49 May 2014 #144

Your sarcasm detector is broken, too. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #145

Well...he did show his ass in a pretty meaningful way. msanthrope May 2014 #146

That was pretty damned stupid since the interview can be used against him in a court. MohRokTah May 2014 #149

That interview is a goldmine for a prosecutor. nt msanthrope May 2014 #162

Ambassador outlining damage to US-- msanthrope May 2014 #139

OMG--now Snowden is talking like an idiot about the 4th amendment---- msanthrope May 2014 #141

not watching it but from i read he sounds like a fucking idiot JI7 May 2014 #147

LOL! ProSense May 2014 #155

Well....he sounds like a person who has read a few books. And that impresses others msanthrope May 2014 #172

Michael Leiter, Breyer's former clerk, is ABSOLUTELY SKEWERING Snowden's 4th amendment claims as msanthrope May 2014 #148

Snowden could not provide NBC News with any examples of wrongdoing!!!! No actual msanthrope May 2014 #150

Really? Wow! Number23 May 2014 #178

No--apparently he forgot to steal proof. nt msanthrope May 2014 #182

!! Number23 May 2014 #189

"He confuses the capability of the NSA with what they're actually doing." randome May 2014 #151

NBC news is noting that he hasn't provided any actual "proof." nt msanthrope May 2014 #154

Williams notes long breaks, loss of train of thought, aphorisms, loss of eye contact in interview msanthrope May 2014 #152

I"ve been trying to watch the aftershow ever since it started but it's frozen :( nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #158

I saw about 10 minutes of it before it froze for me, too. randome May 2014 #163

Can't believe traffic is bad enough to jam it... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #164

Just froze for me....nt msanthrope May 2014 #166

Well, Big Giant Head said it would be available afterwards. Guess I'll have to watch it later. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #169

So when will the GG Twit fit over this interview start? MohRokTah May 2014 #156

It's entirely possible that Glenn may not realize Eddie fucked up--remember the Putin msanthrope May 2014 #167

So now Snowden is explaining how we should allocate defense funding....to another agency. nt msanthrope May 2014 #157

Pete Williams just debunked Snowden's inane point on the Boston bombings.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #159

Edward comes across as extremely arrogant (or narcissistic?) ecstatic May 2014 #160

He was very well-prepared. I have no doubt his FSB lawyer made sure he was. nt msanthrope May 2014 #165

Pete Williams notes neither Greenwald or Snowden have shown us how the programs are illegal. nt msanthrope May 2014 #161

Great, let's have more of it, it works for my agenda! dgauss May 2014 #168

Goodnight alll---live feed froze for me, and I am tired. nt msanthrope May 2014 #170

This was fun. ucrdem May 2014 #173

Nicely done, msanthrope. Bobbie Jo May 2014 #174

Thanks!! nt msanthrope May 2014 #181

what the hell are you gonna do January 2017; ask yourselves that MisterP May 2014 #176

Celebrate Hillary's inauguration? nt stevenleser May 2014 #187

Going to my third Clinton Inaugural??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #188

Mr "It's Not About Mememememememe" Full of Holes Snowden who Cha May 2014 #179

Thanks for following this and posting, all. Skidmore May 2014 #180

3 Reasons To Doubt Snowden's Claim That He 'Has No Relationship With The Russian Government At All' ProSense May 2014 #186

Holy fucking self kick Batman! L0oniX May 2014 #191