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Showing Original Post only (View all)Snowden Fan Club, Sorry, But Snowden Lied about the email to the NSA General Counsel [View all]
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nsa-releases-snowden-email-nbc-truth/story?id=23918598From the interview, Snowden's own words:
I actually did go through channels, and that is documented. The NSA has records, they have copies of emails right now to their Office of General Counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks from me raising concerns about the NSAs interpretations of it legal authorities, Snowden told NBC News in a wide-ranging interview. I reported that there were real problems with the way the NSA was interpreting its legal authorities. And I went even further in this, to say that they could be unconstitutional, that they were sort of abrogating our model of government in a way that empowered presidents to override our statutory laws. And this was made very clear. And the response was, more or less, in bureaucratic language, was, You should stop asking questions.
Except that is not at all what happened...
From the NSA:
Today the NSA posted online the email exchange to which the government agency says it believes Snowden is referring. The exchange released by the NSA took place in early April, months after Snowden reportedly contacted journalists in preparation to expose the secret programs.
According to the documents posted online, Snowden wrote to the NSAs Office of General Counsel on Friday, April 5, 2013 asking for legal clarification about whether Presidential executive orders can supersede federal statute, and whether Department of Defense (DOD) or Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) regulations get greater precedence.
The response from the General Counsels office, dated Monday, April 8, says that while executive orders have the force and effect of law, they cannot override a statute. The response also said that DOD and ODNI regulations are afforded similar precedence and one may have more depending on subject matter or date. The respondent invites Snowden to give [him or her] a call if [he] would like to discuss further.
The NSA said in statement that Snowdens email did not raise allegations or concerns about wrongdoing or abuse, but posed a legal question that the Office of General Counsel addressed.
There was no additional follow-up noted, the NSA said. There are numerous avenues that Mr. Snowden could have used to raise other concerns or whistleblower allegations. We have searched for additional indications of outreach from him in those areas and to date have not discovered any engagements related to his claims.
According to the documents posted online, Snowden wrote to the NSAs Office of General Counsel on Friday, April 5, 2013 asking for legal clarification about whether Presidential executive orders can supersede federal statute, and whether Department of Defense (DOD) or Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) regulations get greater precedence.
The response from the General Counsels office, dated Monday, April 8, says that while executive orders have the force and effect of law, they cannot override a statute. The response also said that DOD and ODNI regulations are afforded similar precedence and one may have more depending on subject matter or date. The respondent invites Snowden to give [him or her] a call if [he] would like to discuss further.
The NSA said in statement that Snowdens email did not raise allegations or concerns about wrongdoing or abuse, but posed a legal question that the Office of General Counsel addressed.
There was no additional follow-up noted, the NSA said. There are numerous avenues that Mr. Snowden could have used to raise other concerns or whistleblower allegations. We have searched for additional indications of outreach from him in those areas and to date have not discovered any engagements related to his claims.
Link to actual email released by the NSA: http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/post/87218708448/edward-j-snowden-email-inquiry-to-the-nsa-office
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Snowden Fan Club, Sorry, But Snowden Lied about the email to the NSA General Counsel [View all]
berni_mccoy
May 2014
OP
Anti-Snowden Fan Club - it is what Snowden revealed that is important. None of the nit-picking
djean111
May 2014
#1
You're wrong about that too. In order to claim he is a whistleblower and his actions were justified
stevenleser
May 2014
#6
It's also clear that the journalists he initially contacted are accessories to the crime
MohRokTah
May 2014
#8
I'm waiting to see more evidence on that but it would not surprise me at all.
stevenleser
May 2014
#22
Then why do so many DU'ers spend such a huge amount of time defending Snowden
KittyWampus
May 2014
#48
I have been saying that from the start....IF he was such a good Systems Admin....he would have
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#28
Richard Clarke, you know, the guy who DU Loves because he said Bush committed War Crimes
berni_mccoy
May 2014
#17
Not ad hominem. If the question is whether or not he tells the truth, his truthfulness is at issue.
baldguy
May 2014
#57
Snowden said they can read our thoughts as we are formulating them, in the BW interview.
MADem
May 2014
#96
Yes, he specifically referenced editing a document, and expressed shock and dismay!!!!!!
MADem
May 2014
#101
His revealing military secrets is not ad hominem, and I don't see the "good"
whathehell
May 2014
#42
That's not exactly news for anyone who belives they may be tracked because they're a Terrorist
dballance
May 2014
#90
This isn't a party line issue. It's not Liberals go this way, Conservatives go that way.
MADem
May 2014
#16
This week! Next week they'll be worrying if Brian Kilmeade got a cold sore from so much asskissing!!
Major Hogwash
May 2014
#137
Really, he could have tossed a few copies up in "the cloud"--even as attachments to
MADem
May 2014
#106
Jesus, the person you are speaking with has "blocked" you for expressing a differing opinion!
MADem
May 2014
#103
AND he took 1.7 million documents and used other peoples usernames/passwords to get them but...
stevenleser
May 2014
#23
yes or he would have them himself....everyone in IT always saves emails especially those to
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#47
His e-mail looks like bait to pin any alleged abuses on the President and other higher up.
BenzoDia
May 2014
#12
i haven't watched the interview; Did BW ask Snowden why he didn't keep copies of the emails? n/t
yodermon
May 2014
#27
If snowden/greenwald were to release the emails tomorrow, would you believe them to be legit copies
yodermon
May 2014
#56
There is no fallacy when the appeal is to an actual authority on the subject being discussed.
Ikonoklast
May 2014
#86
that was probably on the DONOTASK or this Interview is over requirements..
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#49
You don't need to be a supporter of anyone to recognize the utter worthlessness of this email.
randome
May 2014
#64
and Gosh Darn IT Uber Spy Snowden didn't CYA by downloading those emails first...
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#53
Yeah, just awful how he forgot to cover every single thing, being the uber spy he is.
Katashi_itto
May 2014
#66
If you ever worked in govt IT you would know that CYA is the first thing you think of...
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#84
Gosh that makes all the difference, but considering the slant of your posts I would not be
Katashi_itto
May 2014
#114
Actually you would....as I said...I do IT work.... as in a Developer....not content creation...
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#115
I am in good company with those who love this country....by that I mean this form of Govt.
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#120
Not hard at all....So now being a Liberal Socialist Democrat is == Nazi?
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#122
As Always Ed, Should You Or Any Of Your I.M. Force Be Caught Or Killed, The Secretary Will Disavow..
global1
May 2014
#62
Snowden raising issues of legality? He did nit legally follow the chain, he stole,
Thinkingabout
May 2014
#83
Feinstein's release of one e-mail this morning disproves the premise of your post.
JDPriestly
May 2014
#119
Why should berni "remove his post"? It proves Snowden's a fucking liar like I already knew.
Cha
May 2014
#127
So. Do you support the NSA collating records on you and your calls and correspondence?
Jakes Progress
Jun 2014
#146
This is about Snowden being a stupid libertarian liar. He should have gone through the proper
Cha
Jun 2014
#147
I don't have to answer to some anonymous GG/ES fan on the internet.. GG's making $$$$$$
Cha
Jun 2014
#153
Do those fan club members have to return their secret decoder ring now??
Major Hogwash
May 2014
#136
I have no doubt that at certain levels no whistleblowing is allowed or tolerated.
Zen Democrat
Jun 2014
#152