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In reply to the discussion: "Men's Rights" cracks me up. [View all]Lyric
(12,678 posts)110. Gay rights, women's rights and other minority rights are just that
minority rights. Men are not a political minority. Frankly, there has never been a bigger, more powerful, longer-entrenched political majority in the world than the male one. It's even older and more powerful than the cabal of the wealthy--and the two are (and historically have been) deeply intertwined.
Men's rights is the political and moral equivalent of "White" rights. Are there issues that men face regularly? Yes. Are those issues related to a longstanding oppression and/or denial of human and/or civil rights, perpetrated by a powerful political entity onto a minority that holds less power? Nope.
Even rich people have problems--but those problems are not the fault of the poor. They tend to be the fault of OTHER rich people. And the same is true of men. What always amazes me are the false equivalencies that the MRA movement draws. We all know that the rights of women have always been oppressed by the men in power. We all know that the rights of racial minorities are oppressed by the racial majority in power. So when "men" start having issues, they automatically adopt the posture of the victim and assume that someone MUST be oppressing them too! Except...the culprit there is usually men TOO. Women aren't the ones committing the vast majority of rapes against male victims in this world--that is oppression by other MEN. Female judges are still much rarer than male judges. When custody is awarded unfairly, it's often a MALE judge, using outdated social norms invented by MEN to control and corral WOMEN (a.k.a., women ought to stay home and raise babies), who made that call.
The stuff that MRA's complain about is, when you strip away the hysteria, evidence that men can be victims of the entrenched patriarchy too. Women aren't oppressing guys. GUYS are oppressing guys. If they were even slightly sincere, they'd acknowledge that fact. However, many of them don't really seem to care much about getting to the root of their issues. They like being able to blame and hate women, and nothing will ever deter them from that line of reasoning.
Men's rights is the political and moral equivalent of "White" rights. Are there issues that men face regularly? Yes. Are those issues related to a longstanding oppression and/or denial of human and/or civil rights, perpetrated by a powerful political entity onto a minority that holds less power? Nope.
Even rich people have problems--but those problems are not the fault of the poor. They tend to be the fault of OTHER rich people. And the same is true of men. What always amazes me are the false equivalencies that the MRA movement draws. We all know that the rights of women have always been oppressed by the men in power. We all know that the rights of racial minorities are oppressed by the racial majority in power. So when "men" start having issues, they automatically adopt the posture of the victim and assume that someone MUST be oppressing them too! Except...the culprit there is usually men TOO. Women aren't the ones committing the vast majority of rapes against male victims in this world--that is oppression by other MEN. Female judges are still much rarer than male judges. When custody is awarded unfairly, it's often a MALE judge, using outdated social norms invented by MEN to control and corral WOMEN (a.k.a., women ought to stay home and raise babies), who made that call.
The stuff that MRA's complain about is, when you strip away the hysteria, evidence that men can be victims of the entrenched patriarchy too. Women aren't oppressing guys. GUYS are oppressing guys. If they were even slightly sincere, they'd acknowledge that fact. However, many of them don't really seem to care much about getting to the root of their issues. They like being able to blame and hate women, and nothing will ever deter them from that line of reasoning.
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And of course, you know some dude somewhere is thinking the same thing in all seriousness...
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#17
It's your white male, wasting money on coffee, right that female barristas should flirt with you.
hunter
May 2014
#69
Oh, I suppose I could have made hay about his calling our Democratic President a...
opiate69
May 2014
#70
you will of course supply the link to a male DUer in crisis and being ridiculed for it, yes?
LanternWaste
May 2014
#44
I imagine avoidance is much more self-validating than simply admitting there are none...
LanternWaste
May 2014
#48
IN CRISIS, can you give me an example of a crisis they would be in that would be mocked?
randys1
May 2014
#77
You and many others in HoF are some of the worst people I've ever come across.
seabeyond
May 2014
#163
totally ignore.... the worst people ever. i would say amazing violet, but it is
seabeyond
May 2014
#166
I'll take yr refusal to answer that simple question as you not thinking it's sexist...
Violet_Crumble
May 2014
#167
don't make up something out of the blue. that is dishonest. the issue. 170 post. me? 1 post. you...?
seabeyond
May 2014
#171
ah. well, you see. like i explain to you often. when reading your posts to me, as soon
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#196
There's as much morphing as there was an attempt from you to answer the question I asked seabeyond..
Violet_Crumble
May 2014
#170
i compared feminists, me, hof to pavlov dogs the other day. it was appropriate.
seabeyond
Jun 2014
#203
I wasn't clear. I was calling the author of that op-ed a fucking idiot. Not you. Sorry.
opiate69
May 2014
#133
because human rights violations are a real thing, and men's rights
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#198
How do you think people should react to the angst these men have because they've lost power
redqueen
May 2014
#50
The only place I consider the term "Men's Rights" relevant is with respect to child custody
scheming daemons
May 2014
#33
Hey Will... I Don't Know What It Is... Chivalry... Women And Children First... Generational...
WillyT
May 2014
#80
Disrupting serious conversations about rights with petty grievnces about not getting dates and
bettyellen
May 2014
#124
Dismissing others' concerns as "petty" simply because you don't share them...
Jester Messiah
May 2014
#160
the OP is against MRA groups, not individual's rights. Hope that helps your confusion!
bettyellen
May 2014
#95
Whatever levity I got from the mens' rights movement, I lost over at Discussionist.com
Paladin
May 2014
#156
Some of us have been trying to raise awareness of these dangerous hate groups for years.
redqueen
May 2014
#157
Men are more the problem on DU than what we've been seeing 24-7 ad nauseum from some feminists?
pacalo
Jun 2014
#187
straight rights and white rights are also pretty funny. while we are at it.
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#199
Lioness- what do you call it when people pretend they are unaware of any larger context? Like here,
bettyellen
Jun 2014
#204
HA. I thought you'd have a great academic term for it, since you know... people have great respect
bettyellen
Jun 2014
#215