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77. Hmmm. Maybe you should read my post and the article again. What both say is that the reason

Fri May 30, 2014, 03:46 PM

May 2014

fathers get custody in a smaller percentage of cases is that fathers often don't ask for custody.

I don't see any problems with the math. Maybe you are not reading the numbers correctly.

As far as the numbers you cite from divorcekeepers, what I see there is that in somewhere between 51% and 56% of the time, fathers get custody, either sole or shared. If your problem is with the difference between the percentage of sole custody given to the mothers and the sole custody given to the fathers, I would posit that the same condition that applied in the non-court decided 91% applies here: fathers don't WANT sole custody of their children, don't ASK for it, and therefore don't get it. That doesn't qualify as prejudice against fathers.

If you want to see the PEW research, google Pew Social Research: a tale of two fathers.

I don't see an problems with this article. If you would like to find an article that disproves the idea that fathers don't ASK for custody as often as mothers, you should certainly do so.

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H2OMan conflating the MRA groups being discussed here boston bean May 2014 #1

Probably for the same reason you got so defensive when someone linked you to the duckies site Major Nikon May 2014 #8

Right. H2O Man May 2014 #10

WRONG. boston bean May 2014 #16

Ignoring people you don't like is one thing. Refusing to post facts redqueen May 2014 #18

You think someone accusing me personally of doing something boston bean May 2014 #15

Actually I don't think it's the same Major Nikon May 2014 #17

I'll agree with one thing. Your post is definitly out there on the bullshit scale. boston bean May 2014 #19

So it's OK to associate you with the TERFs Major Nikon May 2014 #20

Yeah, that's the ticket. boston bean May 2014 #29

So are you saying HOF has never harbored any TERFs? Major Nikon May 2014 #32

Have you now or have you ever had interaction with or harbored a TERF? boston bean May 2014 #41

He's having a time out. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #46

One of yours had one of those this week. pintobean May 2014 #75

WTF one of mine? JTFrog May 2014 #99

There are times H2O Man May 2014 #22

a reasoned response. I admire your patience... ms liberty May 2014 #36

Thanks! H2O Man May 2014 #39

Just wondering jamzrockz May 2014 #102

Here is a definition maddezmom May 2014 #103

My approval isn't the issue. Your credibility is. redqueen May 2014 #26

Aren't you still being ReallyQuiet about your comments? Major Nikon May 2014 #27

Why should she? JTFrog May 2014 #28

You should ask her Major Nikon May 2014 #33

And your attempts at character assassination are pretty hateful and warped. JTFrog May 2014 #35

Since you deleted H2O Man May 2014 #44

No, actually, it's not: "plainly obvious that you are willing to go to bat for the alleged MRA sabrina 1 May 2014 #100

+1000 Katashi_itto May 2014 #54

I'd like to see examples too. nt redqueen May 2014 #13

bad timing. Whisp May 2014 #2

Exactly. H2O Man May 2014 #11

That's what I was thinking. Nt. Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #31

kick to mark for later after I have had time to think about this and reply beyond saying there are uppityperson May 2014 #3

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #24

You got two sons ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #4

yes, but sons are not material possessions. No one should own another human being. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #6

did u not read the whole thing leftyohiolib May 2014 #7

You should be whining about it too Major Nikon May 2014 #9

Are you saying that two sons are material good? Sissyk May 2014 #34

Thank you for sharing your personal journey and how society can be evolving albeit it in small ways Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #5

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #40

Your assertion that family court is unfair to men requires more than anecdotal evidence redqueen May 2014 #12

Things are getting better in the courts for Fathers. Autumn May 2014 #14

I agree. H2O Man May 2014 #45

I always hear that women do better in family court gollygee May 2014 #21

Yep. H2O Man May 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog May 2014 #23

I can name some great men's groups that ARE NOT MRA's ismnotwasm May 2014 #25

I wish you would list them. This OP definitely seems like the right place and right time and Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #43

K&R. Btw, someone was so scared of your words that they alerted on your post FSogol May 2014 #30

interesting the one "Hide It" had no comment....Come here and explain yourself! snooper2 May 2014 #38

Jeepers! H2O Man May 2014 #47

Yes, Life is a process. Sissyk May 2014 #37

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #57

If divorce has to happen (I've been through one pre kiddos) Sissyk May 2014 #74

Another great post, H20 Man. polly7 May 2014 #42

Thank you. H2O Man May 2014 #58

Terrific post, as always tkmorris May 2014 #48

Wow. Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #59

Analogy: More than a few women might have a tendency to perceive "men's rights groups" like Zorra May 2014 #49

You might be right. H2O Man May 2014 #50

I feel like I need to respond to this. one_voice May 2014 #52

Thank you. H2O Man May 2014 #62

do you think that it's mostly women in divorce who lie about geek tragedy May 2014 #68

Yeah, you have a point... one_voice May 2014 #69

Any statistics to counter the Pew study posted below, which contradicts your claim? nt redqueen May 2014 #70

Repeating your claim that there is "no doubt" is not evidence of anything. geek tragedy May 2014 #78

I didn't say it trumped theirs... one_voice May 2014 #83

you were citing your dad's case as proof that the system was biased against men. geek tragedy May 2014 #85

Fine I'll get those statistic as soon as you get me these... one_voice May 2014 #89

here ya go! geek tragedy May 2014 #91

Where in that does it say... one_voice May 2014 #94

seriously? geek tragedy May 2014 #95

No not seriously... one_voice May 2014 #97

Here is an article with some statistics from PEW research that show that in most cases, Squinch May 2014 #53

But but but ... the 70's! And, ANECDOTES! redqueen May 2014 #55

Ah, but as long as you Squinch May 2014 #56

Right untill you actually dig into the documents the article spewed its conclusions from Egnever May 2014 #72

That doesn't prove bias. redqueen May 2014 #76

It was more lopsided in mediation Egnever May 2014 #79

Since courts are tougher on mothers in general, requiring a higher standard for them, redqueen May 2014 #80

I would love to see some data that says the courts are tougher on mothers in general. Egnever May 2014 #86

I agree about the favoring of joint custody. redqueen May 2014 #88

The article that you responded to does not state things that are not borne out by its own sources. Squinch May 2014 #92

The message doesn't change when you dig into the documents. Squinch May 2014 #90

Talk about a balloon deflating. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #65

I am so sorry you had to experience that. Squinch May 2014 #66

hmm that article has a few problems Egnever May 2014 #71

Hmmm. Maybe you should read my post and the article again. What both say is that the reason Squinch May 2014 #77

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what H2O man said in his post Egnever May 2014 #84

Exellent Thread ConnorMarc May 2014 #60

Good. H2O Man May 2014 #63

An excellent post, well thought out, and well written HuskiesHowls May 2014 #61

Thanks. H2O Man May 2014 #64

calling bullshit on your 'friends' in NY's legal community geek tragedy May 2014 #67

from the article you applauded upthread Egnever May 2014 #73

You're silly. H2O Man May 2014 #81

how many divorce cases have you tried as an attorney lately? nt geek tragedy May 2014 #98

1 H2O Man May 2014 #101

my wife has about 70 current divorce clients. geek tragedy May 2014 #106

Always glad H2O Man May 2014 #107

likewise! nt geek tragedy May 2014 #108

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #82

The fact that women today get custody more often is due to patriarchal stereotypes. scruboak May 2014 #87

I may need to go back and reread his post Egnever May 2014 #96

I did not. H2O Man May 2014 #105

BINGO Hippo_Tron May 2014 #109

Kids do best after a split when both parents are involved with them Warpy May 2014 #93

Denmark bloom May 2014 #104

Honestly, I can't find anything at all offensive in this. FourScore Jun 2014 #110