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In reply to the discussion: It time to put an end to the GOP talking point repeated here on DU again and again. [View all]Marr
(20,317 posts)24. Can I go back a few short years?
Why would they espouse something their opponent is willing to push?
In fact, given the context, I'd say their lack of public support is even more damning. If they expected it to actually do the job they claimed it would do back when they were promoting it, you'd think they'd want to get some of the credit... wouldn't you?
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It time to put an end to the GOP talking point repeated here on DU again and again. [View all]
rgbecker
Apr 2012
OP
Yes you are entitled to your opinion, you are even entitled to both of them. n/t
A Simple Game
Apr 2012
#91
Supposing you are a family barely making it on the income you have. You pay your taxes,
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#180
Well said. And if there are fines to be paid - they SHOULD be used to defray unpaid medical costs.
cyberpj
Apr 2012
#219
"The Mandate" is simply the term that is used for the provision in question...
reACTIONary
Apr 2012
#191
It's the best we could get through Congress, and it's already started to bend the cost curve down
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#121
We do. and agree on that point. better with the bill than without for some people. BUT the bill
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#176
Paying a fine and being forced to buy insurance are two very different things.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#11
What is the fine for posession or for DUI? about the smae, right? actually probably less.
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#177
"Do this or face legal sanction" = "you are forced to do this." Period. (nt)
Posteritatis
Apr 2012
#211
Insured folks are far more likely to see their doctor rather than go to the ER...
markpkessinger
Apr 2012
#114
$1000 if the worse thing that happened to people was a broken arm and needing stitches.
SmellyFeet
Apr 2012
#221
That calls for a link. Please provide proof that you have been fined when someone else
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#112
Who knows what these people are arguing for anymore, it is all semantic contortions at this point.
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#259
+1. Or "give to charity or don't get a tax break!" That's real tyranny.
napoleon_in_rags
Apr 2012
#152
gee, if an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, who do you think pays for it now?
still_one
Apr 2012
#212
If we're not buying insurance, then what is our $447 billion dollars buying, exactly?
EFerrari
Apr 2012
#5
Do you know that Obamacare is also regulating the ins. industry to make them more trustworthy?
FarLeftFist
Apr 2012
#51
A predatory cartel, with regulation still on the state level, with virtually no enforcement budget,
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#132
I suggest that those who have blind faith in our governments capability
unapatriciated
Apr 2012
#230
Buy insurance or pay a penalty. I suppose you could call it "incentive".
Arkansas Granny
Apr 2012
#9
It's hard not to feel resentful of people who have good insurance, mandated by the govt.,
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#122
You need to check out the facts before you decide this would be unaffordable for you.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#241
Call it Republican legislation if you can find one Republican who supports it.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#19
I think the GOP has opted to just lie and hope the lies will be repeated by freedom lovin Democrats.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#37
CareFirst is a network not a plan, if you want benefits they tell you to call your plan
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#134
Actually, unless you defraud the government, there is virtually no possibility of jail time.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#217
Why IS health care interstate commerce? That's part of the problem, not the solution.
saras
Apr 2012
#34
"The banking industry is interstate commerce but congress can't force everyone to keep their money
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#149
Maybe all they need is for the SCOTUS to find that the individual mandate is OK.
freedom fighter jh
Apr 2012
#153
If they overturn it, it just a "small step" to say that the government can't force you to
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#157
If you were good at this ... you'd indicate which parts of the Constitution prevent
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#170
If you were good at this YOU WOULD DO THAT, it was my proposal, why would I be
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#185
I don't need to keep my money in a bank to "participate" in the banking industry either.
hughee99
Apr 2012
#155
I would certinly not consider forcing everyone to engage in interstate commerce
hughee99
Apr 2012
#160
Sure ... but as I said earlier, you can not be forced to participate in something
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#163
"And, if you have no insurance your treatment costs are passed on to everyone else."
girl gone mad
Apr 2012
#203
Insurers are still free to remove sick people using the fraud provisions.
girl gone mad
Apr 2012
#253
An 8.5% premium is one quarter the cost of what we have been offered for standard 80/20
1monster
Apr 2012
#55
I have been to too many funerals of people that did not have HC. I like the plan. Granted
appleannie1
Apr 2012
#25
That's because nobody claimed that paying a fine is the same as buying insurance. Just you. nt
Poll_Blind
Apr 2012
#50
Fox News???? Really, when you are redefining the entire legal system in order to make a stupid claim
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#141
So now we buy into the GOP talking point that the tax system is a system of penalties.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#143
Sure don't. You are the one saying taxes and penalties are the same thing.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#224
Good luck rgbecker. This thread has turned into one where almost no one gets your point.
SmellyFeet
Apr 2012
#225
if we what called it what it is it would be "Affordable Insurance Act" and the affordable is not
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#164
Nice analogy if it were true. There are a lot more penalties to breaking traffic laws.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#88
What, in your mind, would constitute "forcing one to buy health insurance?"
ChadwickHenryWard
Apr 2012
#86
How many of the 125 respondees in this thread currently don't carry insurance
frazzled
Apr 2012
#129
the fine is higher than the fine for drug posession or dirivng under the influence.
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#174
The problem is that in America, we have health insurance first and health care second.
progressoid
Apr 2012
#201
They invented the individual mandate in 1989, and supported it publicly for years. They only spoke
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#220
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the correct name for the law
GreydeeThos
Apr 2012
#213
You are just not getting the Olympic level semantic contortion or you would know
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#258