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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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111. I don't know why you have to be.

Fri May 30, 2014, 06:09 PM

May 2014

But there are a number of different possibilities.

The people tearing their hair out on this website and other dem websites over the *disclosure* of bad actions on the part of the US (as opposed to those bad actions themselves) can have a variety of motives. 1. They're Obama fans, who are attacking simply because these disclosures came on his watch. 2. They're team blue fans, who are attacking simply because it happened under a dem president. 3. They're NSA fans, and are attacking "Comrade Eddie" because they actually believe that Americans SHOULD be spied upon by their government, and are upset that anyone dared to reveal that our government is doing so in a staggeringly wide variety of ways.

I'm guessing there are a variety of 1's, 2's, and 3's around. Not everybody is pulling their hair out for the same reasons.

Your 4. is that you 'don't want random people revealing documents', I guess. But given what is being revealed, I can't understand why you wouldn't want it revealed unless you also agree with #3.

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"Snowden fan club"? [View all] whatchamacallit May 2014 OP

Because they don't. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #1

and, and, and... Leme May 2014 #7

That first sentence is so black and white thinking treestar May 2014 #12

...said the guy who calls Snowden 'Comrade Eddie'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #17

So what treestar May 2014 #30

The conservatives dont like anyone trying to speak truth to their authoritarian leadership. Long rhett o rick May 2014 #124

it's what right wingers do, the "comrade" naming calling . it's red baiting. the cold war is over. m-lekktor May 2014 #132

It's the name calling on all sides that debases this argument mikekohr May 2014 #138

When someone speaks in the language of some of this country's worst authoritarians, sabrina 1 May 2014 #156

Why not address the real content of the message - it is NOT black or white karynnj May 2014 #56

I'm not a big fan of secrecy. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #85

Big Brother is subject to the law in '1984' too muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #24

The NSA is far from big brother treestar May 2014 #28

'Comrade Eddy', well, I was going to ask you a question, but then I saw that! Did you know that sabrina 1 May 2014 #35

+1 villager May 2014 #64

Well said! nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #86

+ another Scuba May 2014 #137

It's one of those "either you're with us or you're against us" moments, sad that even "Democrats"... George II May 2014 #49

Did you watch Snowden's interview/ JDPriestly May 2014 #126

WRONG drynberg May 2014 #131

Regardless of who the messenger is, the message is clear randys1 May 2014 #2

Yep whatchamacallit May 2014 #14

Drake and Binney were Reppublicans. I don't recall anyone here worrying about their political sabrina 1 May 2014 #37

Yes, no doubt... after 2 - 3 bold faced ass'd lies I stopped trusting what he said... uponit7771 May 2014 #3

as stupid as NSA Fan Club. KittyWampus May 2014 #4

'Snowden Fan Club', 'NSA Fans', they're both unnecessary. randome May 2014 #5

Well, if the problem is 'a lack of convincing evidence'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #10

Let's do a quick check on how common they are muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #25

+1 whatchamacallit May 2014 #26

+1 valerief May 2014 #36

+1 Uncle Joe May 2014 #39

Your list is woefully incomplete without 'authoritarian', 'authoritarians' and various iterations. randome May 2014 #51

Yeah, checkbook journalist fans have more diverse insults. joshcryer May 2014 #67

totalitarians treestar May 2014 #109

Fascist... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #128

+1 zeemike May 2014 #55

You forgot "NSA apologist." joshcryer May 2014 #66

OK, with 'apologist(s)': muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #102

Your case is really flimsy. joshcryer May 2014 #114

And then there's 3rd way / authoritarian. joshcryer May 2014 #150

"the narrative you were pushing"? I was replying to randome's effort to call equivalent muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #152

He said we should drop the name calling. joshcryer May 2014 #153

And that is how you know these are paid for talking points. When something is repeated that many sabrina 1 May 2014 #91

+1 woo me with science May 2014 #118

Wow Oilwellian May 2014 #94

Thank you. woo me with science May 2014 #117

Another + Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #158

One was posted to denigrate most of DU, the other you neglected to point out, was posted sabrina 1 May 2014 #41

The answer to your question is too disturbing for them to think about. zeemike May 2014 #54

Yes, I rarely get answers to my questions! The problem for them is, more and more people ARE sabrina 1 May 2014 #123

Nailed it. n/t L0oniX May 2014 #148

nice, isn't it? bigtree May 2014 #6

I wonder if many of them will suddenly stop defending the admin Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #11

Ding, ding lark May 2014 #59

No one, NO ONE is for a Big Brother Police State treestar May 2014 #104

Why do we have to be defending the admin? treestar May 2014 #106

I don't know why you have to be. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #111

How was ProSense May 2014 #19

I don't think your take on this thread is correct bigtree May 2014 #34

You don't think it's in response to the other thread? ProSense May 2014 #38

I don't know bigtree May 2014 #40

I don't think that one's 'take' is ever correct Trajan May 2014 #63

none of that's been on my radar bigtree May 2014 #65

'Critics of Snowden'. That is the problem, isn't it? They do not address the violations of our sabrina 1 May 2014 #43

I think you need to revisit old DU and see what many of us had to say back during the Bush years Skidmore May 2014 #61

Good post, thank you. To address your points about where people stood on the Patriot Act and most of sabrina 1 May 2014 #90

As I understand it - those who question Snowden's revelations or methods are part of the NSA Fanclub el_bryanto May 2014 #8

Same people who say the same thing if you support President Obama in anything treestar May 2014 #9

What's with the traditional rightwing red baiting language? whatchamacallit May 2014 #13

It's bogger talk. hobbit709 May 2014 #15

It's also very revealing whatchamacallit May 2014 #16

And your hypocrisy is showing. You forgot you were calling others out for namecalling. "Bogger"? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #48

That was Hobbit whatchamacallit May 2014 #84

Well, alrighty then, as long as you're consistent. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #93

Not to mention, projection beerandjesus May 2014 #44

Completely disingenuous ProSense May 2014 #18

Oh brother... whatchamacallit May 2014 #20

You just agreed with a post referring to "bogger talk." n/t ProSense May 2014 #21

How did I agree? whatchamacallit May 2014 #23

Have there been more whistle blowers while OBama is in office, and if so what are they whistling at? randys1 May 2014 #22

I am grateful to know about what the NSA is doing. I totally disagree with how it was revealed and kelliekat44 May 2014 #27

Then you're grateful to him whatchamacallit May 2014 #31

protecting the safety and security of global corporations and the 1% frylock May 2014 #68

Our drone policies create much more danger to Americans Maedhros Jun 2014 #157

It's important for some to demonize those who go against the company line. Octafish May 2014 #29

.... 840high May 2014 #32

In a nutshell. nt elias49 May 2014 #33

Like KoKo said, we are in the deep doo-doo. Octafish May 2014 #119

That's what is going on. Enthusiast May 2014 #62

At maximum volume. Octafish May 2014 #116

Or the company line that Eddie is above the law treestar May 2014 #105

No. I'm against traitors. Octafish May 2014 #110

heh.. no answer to that. . .n/t annabanana May 2014 #140

Now now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #112

Thanks for reminding me! Octafish May 2014 #115

I know right? It's a reflection berni_mccoy May 2014 #42

Bullshit. OnyxCollie May 2014 #45

"non-rational nonsense" bobduca May 2014 #122

Of course you nailed it, but... Bobbie Jo May 2014 #89

Such drama Oilwellian May 2014 #101

How is disclosing classified information ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #46

He also disclosed to us whatchamacallit May 2014 #71

That wasn't my question ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #80

When it reveals criminality on the part of the government and its officials. Octafish May 2014 #145

Spying on other nations is not criminal. eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #146

Well Comrade Watchamacallit... MannyGoldstein May 2014 #47

Lol! whatchamacallit May 2014 #72

Some people don't necessarily think that Snowden War Horse May 2014 #50

�!!! BenNSAghazi !!!� Whisp May 2014 #52

It's sad and embarrassing you conflate those issues whatchamacallit May 2014 #73

I see some similarities. Whisp May 2014 #78

You only see them because the spying issue hurts the president's image whatchamacallit May 2014 #92

believe whatever you like Whisp May 2014 #97

there's no skin in that game grasswire May 2014 #129

nope uponit7771 May 2014 #133

Was it necessary to leak millions of documents to protect civil liberties? karynnj May 2014 #53

no it wasn't PatrynXX May 2014 #57

I did not vote for a government to spy on me whatchamacallit May 2014 #74

Good for you - I didn't karynnj May 2014 #79

Fixed whatchamacallit May 2014 #82

But still no answer on the over a million documents that Snowden could not even have previewed karynnj May 2014 #83

Until you can clearly and indisputably demonstrate whatchamacallit May 2014 #88

That is insanity karynnj May 2014 #96

You can believe in civil liberties and not be impressed by Snowden. joshcryer May 2014 #58

I'm impressed by the information he provided whatchamacallit May 2014 #70

Not impressed by the information. joshcryer May 2014 #75

Feel free to enjoy your Orwellian world whatchamacallit May 2014 #76

Thanks to checkbook journalism. joshcryer May 2014 #87

You just did it treestar May 2014 #108

FUD is pushing the meme that its impossible to not trust SnowGlen and Spy agencies too uponit7771 May 2014 #134

Anyone who read the Patriot Act knew about phone/internet monitoring perdita9 May 2014 #60

No, we did NOT know about the MASSIVE spying program conducted by the War Criminals until sabrina 1 May 2014 #77

Snowden is irrelevant. Helen Borg May 2014 #69

10. +1 Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #113

... that was produced in 2005 and Obama mentioned curving 2 months before Snowden released uponit7771 May 2014 #135

Cannot put the truth back into the bottle! Helen Borg May 2014 #144

Because I don't really care about Ed Snowden. JohnnyRingo May 2014 #81

Good post treestar May 2014 #107

Black and white thinking.... NCTraveler May 2014 #95

to personality cultists, everything is about fandom and nothing about principles carolinayellowdog May 2014 #98

well put n/t reddread May 2014 #100

precisely reddread May 2014 #99

LOL, the swooners, referring to a fan club Skittles May 2014 #103

Snowden is a hero Harmony Blue May 2014 #120

AKA "people on the right side of history". pa28 May 2014 #121

LIVE FREE OR DIE blkmusclmachine May 2014 #125

By way of explanation for your apparent confusion... gcomeau May 2014 #127

Um... I was describing me whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #161

Yeah... I got that. gcomeau Jun 2014 #162

This shit has James O'Keefe all over it. stonecutter357 May 2014 #130

+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #136

Yes, lets +1 the brilliant guy who thinks I'm James O'Keefe whatchamacallit May 2014 #147

Really? You think it's THAT lame? randome May 2014 #139

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #141

RAWR lets KILL SNOWDEN DEAD!!!11111 bobduca May 2014 #142

We used to shoot protesters at Kent State too. L0oniX May 2014 #149

So you're okay with the Government trampling all over your rights??? Well, here's some sabrina 1 May 2014 #154

Because the way he did it turned it into a discussion about him and not about the NSA. marble falls May 2014 #143

Ask your self who is making millions because of Snowden??? Historic NY May 2014 #151

"Follow the money" is supposed to be the sound bite to end all sound bites. randome May 2014 #155

Anyone not in support ofSnowden is more concerned with self-interests mia Jun 2014 #159

I SUPPORT HIM! NT bobGandolf Jun 2014 #160