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Armstead

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56. But the Keystone Kops are getting their way and their backers are winning

Sat May 31, 2014, 09:47 AM

May 2014

The narrative continues to be that we have to let the wealthy and Big Corporations shirk their social and economic responsibilities to society -- and therefore public programs are starved and the "deficit" drives endless cuts.

Many people may be getting sick of Joe the Plumber, but the people who are footing his bills continue to bamboozle us and rob us and drive the basic "conventional wisdom."

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America Is Becoming a Bit More Liberal. That's Pretty Unusual Six Years Into a Democratic Presidency [View all] babylonsister May 2014 OP

Obama will be remembered as a great president RainDog May 2014 #1

Yes he will and despite all the attempts by the GOP, he will leave office scandal free. Rex May 2014 #2

Are Medicare and Medicaid chopped liver? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #4

which has nothing to do with what I said RainDog May 2014 #5

"But Obama has the legacy of health care legislation..." MannyGoldstein May 2014 #8

ohhhkeee RainDog May 2014 #15

Nice. NealK May 2014 #43

LOL RainDog May 2014 #49

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #50

Ouch, being proved wrong must really sting. Scuba Jun 2014 #99

LOL RainDog Jun 2014 #100

Well, for what it's worth, I appreciate your advocacy. Scuba Jun 2014 #101

Thanks RainDog Jun 2014 #102

Good points. LBJ gets the credit for Medicare. JDPriestly May 2014 #28

+1 n/t NealK May 2014 #42

+1 n/t NealK May 2014 #44

Nope. SCHIP = 7.5 million. ACA + SCHIP expansion = 13 million. joshcryer May 2014 #48

You're right that ACA has added more insureds than SCHIP MannyGoldstein May 2014 #53

But corporate Obama could've vetoed it. joshcryer May 2014 #82

I suppose that he *could* be even further to the right than many Congressional Republicans MannyGoldstein May 2014 #88

I knew the Long family many years ago. IrishAyes May 2014 #63

How much are you willing to risk on that? Rent's due.... IrishAyes May 2014 #61

Wish I'd thought of that. IrishAyes May 2014 #60

What? frazzled May 2014 #36

I agree. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #18

Yeah, he'll be remembered as a true statesman. joshcryer May 2014 #31

Ouch! NealK May 2014 #45

Well said... well said. IrishAyes May 2014 #59

Comparing Medicare, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act, and the Voting Rights Act to Heritage Care Doctor_J May 2014 #72

+1 - his presidency has been transformative Politicub Jun 2014 #94

I totally agree! cilla4progress Jun 2014 #96

But not so unusual 7 years into a depression for the 99% MannyGoldstein May 2014 #3

It's such a shame the Republican-controlled House RainDog May 2014 #6

I didn't write that it was Obama's fault, did I? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #9

ohhhhkee RainDog May 2014 #11

so is, there is nothing he can do Doctor_J May 2014 #10

we're all entitled to our opinions RainDog May 2014 #12

You are correct. He wagged his bank youknowhat, and saved us all from utter ruin. jtuck004 May 2014 #76

I suppose we'll see about that cold war RainDog May 2014 #79

That whole shakin' thing seems to be a preoccupation among the leaders these days. While the earth jtuck004 May 2014 #83

Shakin'? RainDog May 2014 #84

Ha. That was fun. <G>. "apocalyptic scenarios". I have had the same. But over time as I read jtuck004 May 2014 #85

The French Revolution was started by the middle/upper classes RainDog May 2014 #86

Imho, without the Sans Culottes that whole discussion would have been moot. jtuck004 Jun 2014 #92

well... RainDog Jun 2014 #93

Didn't say the peasants won, said it would have been a shootout at the OK country club jtuck004 Jun 2014 #98

It's like Obama is the only one in DC that is not a hysterical fool. nt bemildred May 2014 #7

Wait, shouldn't America become more liberal economically? joshcryer May 2014 #32

'sight' in this case, Manny;not 'site'. IrishAyes May 2014 #65

My bad. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #67

I never done made no such thing before myself. IrishAyes Jun 2014 #89

The continued growth in inequality, plus all of the corporate-friendly legislation, helps alot Doctor_J May 2014 #70

"Normally, the country gets steadily more liberal during Republican presidencies..." woo me with science May 2014 #13

"In terms of policy, Obama's has been a Republican presidency" Cali_Democrat May 2014 #22

Because they're only paying attention to the surface? Armstead May 2014 #40

Liberals are dumb and easily fooled by words. Gotcha. Ikonoklast May 2014 #54

NO that's not what I said Armstead May 2014 #55

Bingo. truebluegreen May 2014 #26

I'm convinced the Internet is having a growing influence on this dynamic. Uncle Joe May 2014 #14

Which is why (along with profit) it's being handed to corporate ownership as we speak. woo me with science May 2014 #33

People dump on Facebook, but I believe it has been instrumental in spreading a lot of good messages. Arugula Latte May 2014 #68

Thanks Obama! Cha May 2014 #16

Yes! Kath1 May 2014 #30

Oy! All the rw talking points sure make their way into people's heads who are Cha May 2014 #34

It is a shame and most of those people are elderly. Kath1 May 2014 #37

Thank you for passing on the encouragment, Kath! Cha May 2014 #38

Pass it on! Kath1 May 2014 #39

Great subthread, thanks guys. freshwest May 2014 #78

Agreed - love the sub-thread cilla4progress Jun 2014 #97

It's a good thing alone not to have conservative backlash treestar May 2014 #17

and will have great repercussions for the supreme Court. FSogol May 2014 #20

Yeah, maybe they've seen what the "conservatives" are up to .. and they want Nothing to do with Cha May 2014 #35

K&R! nt sheshe2 May 2014 #19

I hope it continues to go more liberal. Jamastiene May 2014 #21

Dont forget Clintons nonsense Armstead May 2014 #41

I baking powder? NealK May 2014 #47

The statement thst it was Bush who caused all the damage Armstead May 2014 #52

Most of the so called conservative/republiCONS... butterfly77 May 2014 #23

How true. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #77

Was just about to dupe you again, babylonsister! Hissyspit May 2014 #24

We have a centrist presidency, reactionary house, and centrist senate. nt valerief May 2014 #25

K & R Iliyah May 2014 #27

IMO that is good news - they are beginning to understand that we have no place else to go at this jwirr May 2014 #29

Not real sure if it's getting more liberal or if the GOP is just more unpopular davidn3600 May 2014 #46

Bingo. Citizens United blew up in their faces. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #51

But the Keystone Kops are getting their way and their backers are winning Armstead May 2014 #56

The Keystone Cops--by definition---never get their way. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #73

Really? Are they losing a lot of elections I am not hearing about? Doctor_J May 2014 #66

Maybe because what we have is NOT a Democratic presidency? n/t PowerToThePeople May 2014 #57

well perhaps there's something to thank our azurnoir May 2014 #58

I was thinking the same thing actually. cstanleytech May 2014 #62

Not to mention the overwhelming disgust RainDog May 2014 #80

It's been a conservative 6 years, so there is some natural pushback Doctor_J May 2014 #64

Sorry, that narrative is less compelling than ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #69

So the DC Dems will seize on this wonderful news and shift to a full-throated populist campaign Doctor_J May 2014 #71

Rephrase that: the Dems will mobilize the base to get out the vote. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #74

The people are getting more liberal. They will not come out vote for TPP, KXL, for-profit schools, Doctor_J May 2014 #75

GOTV! It's just getting started for the dems Politicub Jun 2014 #95

Not sure Flatpicker May 2014 #81

Younger people aren't into saving the Great White Males. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #87

Finally. A Gallop Poll that I can appreciate. ancianita Jun 2014 #90

Not unbelievable at all when you realize Obama is a center right president. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #91

The right wing MEDIA is the reason the masses don't recognize what they LIKE loudsue Jun 2014 #103