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In reply to the discussion: "The hard left"... you know what is so damn comical about this statement? [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)148. I wrote a post about this: the attempt to discredit the word, "authoritarian."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3171893
woo me with science (26,100 posts)
25. Ah, the attempt to discredit the term, "authoritarian." I predicted this OP.
I've seen this tactic in several posts lately and figured it would be used for an OP. Authoritarians don't like being called what they are, and since they can't yet prohibit words and restrict others to an approved Newspeak Dictionary, they settle for flailing at and attempting to discredit the individual words they dislike.
This tactic, used less slickly and more openly as elsewhere in this thread, is most amusing in one-to-one settings. When someone uses an accurate word to describe what you are doing or advocating, just put the word in quotation marks, add some exclamation points, and try to neutralize it by pretending it's an epithet instead of an accurate descriptor. We have all seen it here 1,000 times. A person's politics are described as Third Way, and he or she rears up in indignation, expressing shock at the "namecalling."
Well, no. "Third Way" means something. It is not an epithet, but rather descriptive shorthand for a clear and specific set of political values and policies. You can see what "Third Way" means by going to the Third Way website, where the goals and policies - liberal on the social issues unimportant to the One Percent but corporate and authoritarian on virtually everything else - are clearly delineated.
Those who embrace the policies don't want to admit it, so they try to make the term an epithet...something to be banned by a jury so that it can't be accurately applied to them on the forums. And now we are hearing the same sort of defensive attempts to discredit the word when authoritarianism is called "authoritarianism."
Of course "authoritarian" means something. Brazen defense of a government's spying on its own citizens is indisputably authoritarian.
I always picture an indignant poodle rearing up in outrage and exclaiming, "What?! You called me a DOG?!"
Orwell was right. Defending against authoritarianism *requires* defending language, because authoritarians will try to twist, discredit, or take away the words that are necessary for us to describe what is being done to us.
woo me with science (26,100 posts)
25. Ah, the attempt to discredit the term, "authoritarian." I predicted this OP.
I've seen this tactic in several posts lately and figured it would be used for an OP. Authoritarians don't like being called what they are, and since they can't yet prohibit words and restrict others to an approved Newspeak Dictionary, they settle for flailing at and attempting to discredit the individual words they dislike.
This tactic, used less slickly and more openly as elsewhere in this thread, is most amusing in one-to-one settings. When someone uses an accurate word to describe what you are doing or advocating, just put the word in quotation marks, add some exclamation points, and try to neutralize it by pretending it's an epithet instead of an accurate descriptor. We have all seen it here 1,000 times. A person's politics are described as Third Way, and he or she rears up in indignation, expressing shock at the "namecalling."
Well, no. "Third Way" means something. It is not an epithet, but rather descriptive shorthand for a clear and specific set of political values and policies. You can see what "Third Way" means by going to the Third Way website, where the goals and policies - liberal on the social issues unimportant to the One Percent but corporate and authoritarian on virtually everything else - are clearly delineated.
Those who embrace the policies don't want to admit it, so they try to make the term an epithet...something to be banned by a jury so that it can't be accurately applied to them on the forums. And now we are hearing the same sort of defensive attempts to discredit the word when authoritarianism is called "authoritarianism."
Of course "authoritarian" means something. Brazen defense of a government's spying on its own citizens is indisputably authoritarian.
I always picture an indignant poodle rearing up in outrage and exclaiming, "What?! You called me a DOG?!"
Orwell was right. Defending against authoritarianism *requires* defending language, because authoritarians will try to twist, discredit, or take away the words that are necessary for us to describe what is being done to us.
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"The hard left"... you know what is so damn comical about this statement? [View all]
nadinbrzezinski
May 2014
OP
No Labels. They expressly equate, not the hard left, but traditional Democrats, to Teabaggers.
merrily
May 2014
#84
And, after they get them, they have them. And they got them, keep getting them, now have them and
merrily
May 2014
#116
I mostly vote Dem, because that's all there is most of the time, that I can stomach.
bemildred
May 2014
#137
Yeah, tell me about it! I regularly describe my politics as "hard left" or "far left"
Raksha
May 2014
#7
It shows how powerful words=and the Big Lie strategy are, that people even label themselves
merrily
Jun 2014
#221
Exactly. But it's used by the rightwingers here busily recalculating "the center" to fit their
villager
May 2014
#10
Is it really that based on ideas? Or is more loyalty to Democrats and, for some, mostly to Obama?
merrily
May 2014
#90
We can only deal with new trolls or those under 100 posts. the rest are up to the admins.
hrmjustin
May 2014
#152
Dino's ...centrists ...3rd way ...corporatists ...lovers of the rich ...what's the difference.
L0oniX
May 2014
#65
Not only rightwingers here. They are only faint echoes of what is going on in the real world.
merrily
May 2014
#89
Polls show almost every individual has his or her own definiton of "middle class."
merrily
May 2014
#96
The real leaders who appeal to the working people of America seem to die young..
mountain grammy
May 2014
#151
I might have said repeal of Glass Steagall, but Obama's FCC put the nail in the coffin of the
merrily
May 2014
#92
it's like the "purity purge" they claimed to fear 2006-8: with Capitol Hill blue
MisterP
May 2014
#35
I know some of those names, but not all their agendas. However, as to Lamont and Sestak,
merrily
May 2014
#97
in Spanish it's called "oficialismo" where party leaders grossly favor status-quo candidates
MisterP
May 2014
#184
The fact that neither of the 2 largest parties does what it should for Americans
merrily
May 2014
#98
You are a traditional Democrat, period. Extreme left is a communist advocating violent overthrow
merrily
May 2014
#99
Well if you haven't already, join us in the Socialist Progressives group....
socialist_n_TN
Jun 2014
#214
Sorry, plenty of us have been labeled hard left or extreme left right here on DU by
merrily
May 2014
#100
The Corporate sock puppets, Third Way types, work DU regularly. They keep trying to push the Left to
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#48
I have not finished reading this thread yet, but I have read at least two posts by
merrily
May 2014
#101
In the 1930s, FDR, with help, created the New Deal, in which not only mainstream Democrats, but
merrily
Jun 2014
#218
Especially hilarious since the "hard left" keeps using RW libertarians talking points.
baldguy
May 2014
#55
Take your innuendo and stick it somewhere. No one close to sane thinks I am rightist of any kind.
merrily
May 2014
#112
You can't defend the RW attacks on Democrats from the phony "hard left", so you don't try.
baldguy
May 2014
#195
LOL. Please refer to posts 103 and 110. They'd tell any half way sane person why I didn't bother.
merrily
May 2014
#196
Right. No sane person can defend the RW attacks on Democrats from the phony "hard left".
baldguy
May 2014
#197
Yes, Snowden & Greenwald are tedious. As is seeing their RW libertarian screeds rehashed on DU.
baldguy
May 2014
#200
Yes, I got that the first time, but I don't think high level politicians are fungible, nor do I
merrily
May 2014
#140
It's ok, you've openly admitted to being OK with GOP talking points and humor.
Dr Hobbitstein
May 2014
#185
because half the drivers in this country don't understand to PULL FORWARD INTO THE INTERSECTION?
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#107
related to the false equivalency between `libertarian' and `Libertarian'
carolinayellowdog
May 2014
#132
I wrote a post about this: the attempt to discredit the word, "authoritarian."
woo me with science
May 2014
#148
But, once typed, how do you disseminate? Snail mail is subject to inspection, too.
merrily
May 2014
#157
If there is any "hard left" in the US, it's surely not the one I grew up with in the 60's. I think
RKP5637
May 2014
#138
I feel helpless every day. It's like trying to shout at a giant boulder because it impedes progress
Lint Head
May 2014
#139
"The hard left" like "big labor" is, unfortunately, no longer a force in America
mountain grammy
May 2014
#155