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184. in Spanish it's called "oficialismo" where party leaders grossly favor status-quo candidates

Sat May 31, 2014, 01:36 PM

May 2014

even to the point of deliberately allowing their own party to lose (of course a conservative Dem leader would rather work with the GOP than a Dem who'd even fight their own party to get things done, no matter how good those things are)

party leaders say it's just voter preference, but it's really a dedocracia--"rule by finger" where a candidate is favored/nominated, or an extant member promoted within the party or legislature

it's quite easy if you think about the Dems as a party with structures and factions, and not some army of 100M Paladins fighting the Debbil for a better world

Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Barbara Buono, Rev. Manuel Sykes, Wendy Davis weren't/aren't tanked or redistricted away because the DNCC thought they'd do worse against the Pub than their darling!

the past is important: people go to war over it, bleed it out their bodies: hence Orwell's Memory Holes to keep people entirely in the present, undermining their sense of roots or even ability to look backwards instead of downwards

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"The hard left"... you know what is so damn comical about this statement? [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2014 OP

The scariest thing you wrote: CrispyQ May 2014 #1

I know nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #5

hard left is a slur in my opinion equal to tea party roguevalley May 2014 #59

Except that tea party is self chosen nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #60

true that. roguevalley May 2014 #61

No Labels. They expressly equate, not the hard left, but traditional Democrats, to Teabaggers. merrily May 2014 #84

Any thoughts on what can be done about that? merrily May 2014 #83

" no organized opposition " the Left has no fight. Hotler May 2014 #121

+1,000 malaise May 2014 #168

The only "left" that is left, is that which is "left behind" Javaman May 2014 #2

Yeah, I say that all the time too: "There is no Left left." Raksha May 2014 #8

There is a left, but the PTB, including media, pretend there isn't. merrily May 2014 #85

you nailed it, Nadin. hobbit709 May 2014 #3

thought that is what you got if you cut one of those ed pills in half dembotoz May 2014 #4

Name calling is all they have. bemildred May 2014 #6

Well that, and money and the country's political power. merrily May 2014 #86

No, that's what they get. bemildred May 2014 #115

And, after they get them, they have them. And they got them, keep getting them, now have them and merrily May 2014 #116

Which is how they have set things up for themselves. nt bemildred May 2014 #117

Which is my point. And we helped. At least I did. merrily May 2014 #118

Well, I can say I've been voting against it all of my life. bemildred May 2014 #120

Don't know your definition of voting against the corporatists, merrily May 2014 #123

I've had no use for Biden since the Anita Hill hearings. bemildred May 2014 #129

I did not think you were suggesting that. merrily May 2014 #133

I mostly vote Dem, because that's all there is most of the time, that I can stomach. bemildred May 2014 #137

Why would change for the better come from either the top or the bottom if merrily May 2014 #142

Have a nice day, I have to go. nt bemildred May 2014 #143

Thanks. You, too. merrily May 2014 #144

Yeah, tell me about it! I regularly describe my politics as "hard left" or "far left" Raksha May 2014 #7

Please don't label yourself incorrectly. merrily May 2014 #87

I agree, in many ways War Horse May 2014 #161

I didn't realize "anarcho-socialist" was extreme. Raksha Jun 2014 #210

It shows how powerful words=and the Big Lie strategy are, that people even label themselves merrily Jun 2014 #221

Can what was "hard left" in the 1930s even exist in this country any more? Raksha Jun 2014 #209

I am not advocating for violent overthrow of government or even hard left. merrily Jun 2014 #219

Good post, spot on laundry_queen May 2014 #9

I was shocked at a dinner some years ago. JDPriestly May 2014 #37

I think the education extended into the early 80s. blackspade May 2014 #42

That's a crazy story laundry_queen May 2014 #43

Yes. I get why schools are doing such a bad job teaching civics. JDPriestly May 2014 #47

Do a youtube search on... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #51

That is why the plan of NCLB was to focus first on reading and math and DebJ May 2014 #81

Just wait until you talk to someone educated after merrily May 2014 #88

Yes and no. Please see Reply 85. merrily May 2014 #95

Exactly. But it's used by the rightwingers here busily recalculating "the center" to fit their villager May 2014 #10

It's used by the right wingers. Iggo May 2014 #11

As soon as someone calls this old mainstream FDR/LBJ Democrat "Hard Left", bvar22 May 2014 #28

AND, they are HERE, Enthusiast May 2014 #33

...and ignored by MIRT FiveGoodMen May 2014 #38

Left, right, whatever. Maedhros May 2014 #46

Those that accept warrantless, blanket surveillance do not deserve to be free. L0oniX May 2014 #66

If OUR TRIBE is in power, we will be FREE. Maedhros May 2014 #74

It would seem that the NSA is not the only liar. L0oniX May 2014 #75

I'm sorry, I'm being a bit snarky. Maedhros May 2014 #76

* L0oniX May 2014 #77

Is it really that based on ideas? Or is more loyalty to Democrats and, for some, mostly to Obama? merrily May 2014 #90

We can only deal with new trolls or those under 100 posts. the rest are up to the admins. hrmjustin May 2014 #152

They *are* MIRT, aren't they? villager May 2014 #177

Dino's ...centrists ...3rd way ...corporatists ...lovers of the rich ...what's the difference. L0oniX May 2014 #65

Not only rightwingers here. They are only faint echoes of what is going on in the real world. merrily May 2014 #89

The Hard Left, in conjunction with the Liberal Media... OnyxCollie May 2014 #12

It died pre-60s - TBF May 2014 #13

Why I wrote the last version nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #23

Agree - people making 20-40K TBF May 2014 #24

Polls show almost every individual has his or her own definiton of "middle class." merrily May 2014 #96

The hard left may have, but the left is alive and well. Please see Reply 85. merrily May 2014 #91

Yes! You are correct (to state the obvious) houston_radical May 2014 #14

The Biggest Right Wing Ccarmona May 2014 #22

Clinton had 3 big issues - TBF May 2014 #25

Don't forget "Welfare Reform" accompanied by the proclamation that, bvar22 May 2014 #30

Yep. That was a gem. merrily May 2014 #94

The real leaders who appeal to the working people of America seem to die young.. mountain grammy May 2014 #151

DOMA and DADT were not exactly liberal, either. merrily May 2014 #93

I might have said repeal of Glass Steagall, but Obama's FCC put the nail in the coffin of the merrily May 2014 #92

Excellent post. suffragette May 2014 #15

knr frylock May 2014 #16

K&R Solly Mack May 2014 #17

Big K&R Phlem May 2014 #18

exactly right. nashville_brook May 2014 #19

Tragically true Glorfindel May 2014 #20

K&R valerief May 2014 #21

Mainstream-Center FDR/LBJ Democrat here, bvar22 May 2014 #26

You have not nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #27

Me too. Enthusiast May 2014 #32

K&R#70 n/t bobthedrummer May 2014 #29

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2014 #31

Nailed it. Scuba May 2014 #34

it's like the "purity purge" they claimed to fear 2006-8: with Capitol Hill blue MisterP May 2014 #35

I know some of those names, but not all their agendas. However, as to Lamont and Sestak, merrily May 2014 #97

MisterP has been paying attention! bvar22 May 2014 #176

in Spanish it's called "oficialismo" where party leaders grossly favor status-quo candidates MisterP May 2014 #184

So true. JDPriestly May 2014 #36

But but but...the far left gave the House to the Republicans!11! progressoid May 2014 #39

That was some funny shit. L0oniX May 2014 #68

The fact that neither of the 2 largest parties does what it should for Americans merrily May 2014 #98

Exactly correct. blackspade May 2014 #40

You are a traditional Democrat, period. Extreme left is a communist advocating violent overthrow merrily May 2014 #99

The irony is that I'm to the left of Sanders on a lot of thngs. blackspade May 2014 #147

Sanders is in a complicated situation. merrily May 2014 #153

I wasn't knocking him in the slightest! blackspade May 2014 #192

I didn't thinkyou were knocking him. merrily May 2014 #193

I gottcha! blackspade May 2014 #201

Good! merrily May 2014 #205

If you mean extreme left treestar May 2014 #41

So all of my propagandizing on DU has been in vain????? socialist_n_TN May 2014 #54

I'm definately an anti-capitalist blackspade May 2014 #202

Well if you haven't already, join us in the Socialist Progressives group.... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #214

Thanks! I'll check it out. blackspade Jun 2014 #216

Sorry, plenty of us have been labeled hard left or extreme left right here on DU by merrily May 2014 #100

k&r. The Third Way sycophants are a pathetic lot. nt antigop May 2014 #44

They are old "Reagan Democrats" or even Republicans... bvar22 May 2014 #175

and they probably benefit from the status quo. nt antigop May 2014 #188

BINGO! bvar22 May 2014 #189

yep stupidicus May 2014 #45

The Corporate sock puppets, Third Way types, work DU regularly. They keep trying to push the Left to blkmusclmachine May 2014 #48

I always chuckle when RW use "the far left" mikeysnot May 2014 #49

Good answer nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #50

I have not finished reading this thread yet, but I have read at least two posts by merrily May 2014 #101

I'm one of those who labels herself "hard left," Raksha Jun 2014 #212

In the 1930s, FDR, with help, created the New Deal, in which not only mainstream Democrats, but merrily Jun 2014 #218

Yet there are still a few "far leftists" out there....... socialist_n_TN May 2014 #52

I cannot read the future nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #53

http://www.dhs.gov/state-and-major-urban-area-fusion-centers merrily May 2014 #102

Especially hilarious since the "hard left" keeps using RW libertarians talking points. baldguy May 2014 #55

Yeah, that's posted a lot here and it's almost always total bs. merrily May 2014 #103

So, when we get posts in breathless, loving prose baldguy May 2014 #110

Take your innuendo and stick it somewhere. No one close to sane thinks I am rightist of any kind. merrily May 2014 #112

And yet, here we are dealing with all the RW bullshit attacks on Democrats baldguy May 2014 #186

Please refer to posts 103 and 110. merrily May 2014 #194

You can't defend the RW attacks on Democrats from the phony "hard left", so you don't try. baldguy May 2014 #195

LOL. Please refer to posts 103 and 110. They'd tell any half way sane person why I didn't bother. merrily May 2014 #196

Right. No sane person can defend the RW attacks on Democrats from the phony "hard left". baldguy May 2014 #197

Time to settle down, dear. I'm sure they'll be bringing your pudding soon. merrily May 2014 #198

Yes, Snowden & Greenwald are tedious. As is seeing their RW libertarian screeds rehashed on DU. baldguy May 2014 #200

LOL! Puglover Jun 2014 #215

Thanks! Feel free to use it whenever. merrily Jun 2014 #217

Does anyone still think that Marx's theory vlakitti May 2014 #56

That is WAY TOO MUCH inside baseball nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #57

We now lead the world in income inequality and at the highest point ever. merrily May 2014 #104

Graphical representation of nadinbrzezinski's nonsense ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #58

Right wing nonsense of the same type treestar May 2014 #62

Absolutely agree ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #73

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025024257#post103 merrily May 2014 #105

Giant fail. blackspade May 2014 #203

Lol TransitJohn Jun 2014 #211

A People's History Of The United States - by Howard Zinn L0oniX May 2014 #63

K&R woo me with science May 2014 #64

I saw somebody on another thread blame the "hard left" m-lekktor May 2014 #67

Shinseki resigned because Obama asked him to. merrily May 2014 #106

Facts do not matter to these people nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #122

Sorry, no clue about the thicker skin. merrily May 2014 #124

Ok a link might help nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #125

Respectfully, I don't think you can make that promise. merrily May 2014 #126

Given I cover politics, I think I can nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #127

Again, respectfully, I don't think covering politics merrily May 2014 #131

And I think that is a trait of high level pols nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #134

Yes, I got that the first time, but I don't think high level politicians are fungible, nor do I merrily May 2014 #140

Right wing toons aren't allowed on DU... Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #145

You mean toons on the Editorial page of the Washington Post? nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #146

A right wing toon on the editorial page of the WaPo Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #149

It is a cartoon nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #158

Yes, the Chinese hacking thing is current events... Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #160

So you are that delicate that we must hide from current cartoons nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #165

It's ok, you've openly admitted to being OK with GOP talking points and humor. Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #185

Not exactly nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #191

Fuck the right wingers here who switched parties but kept their (R) values bobduca May 2014 #69

The RWers here are nowhere near as important as the RWers merrily May 2014 #108

All true bobduca May 2014 #164

Yes,and most of the so called Dems are... butterfly77 May 2014 #70

Great Thread raindaddy May 2014 #71

You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #80

There is NO Left in the mainstream media. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #72

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne May 2014 #78

You nailed it... elzenmahn May 2014 #79

K&R Joe Shlabotnik May 2014 #82

because half the drivers in this country don't understand to PULL FORWARD INTO THE INTERSECTION? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #107

Thank you, nadin, for a good OP. I was sorry to merrily May 2014 #109

"authoritarian" on the other hand refers to a very real phenomenon carolinayellowdog May 2014 #111

exactly, they trot out that false equivalence here all the time bobduca May 2014 #119

related to the false equivalency between `libertarian' and `Libertarian' carolinayellowdog May 2014 #132

That "swiftboating from the left" meme was a new low. Raksha Jun 2014 #213

I wrote a post about this: the attempt to discredit the word, "authoritarian." woo me with science May 2014 #148

well worth repeating your closing lines here carolinayellowdog May 2014 #150

Oh you and your little "facts" leftstreet May 2014 #166

Hard left? mgardener May 2014 #113

occupy needs to seek out the old hippies before they are gone. mopinko May 2014 #114

I am in search for a good ol' fashioned nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #128

But, once typed, how do you disseminate? Snail mail is subject to inspection, too. merrily May 2014 #157

There are ways. nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #159

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #130

CNN Turbineguy May 2014 #135

Are you watching Aristegui on CNN Mexico? nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #136

I forgot the Turbineguy May 2014 #204

Sorry about that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #208

If there is any "hard left" in the US, it's surely not the one I grew up with in the 60's. I think RKP5637 May 2014 #138

I feel helpless every day. It's like trying to shout at a giant boulder because it impedes progress Lint Head May 2014 #139

Let's face the truth here everyone... nyabingi May 2014 #141

We know that there is a far right element in this country vast-left-wing May 2014 #154

"The hard left" like "big labor" is, unfortunately, no longer a force in America mountain grammy May 2014 #155

Inigo Montoya is not the character that said that... Blanks May 2014 #156

wrong reddread May 2014 #163

Inigo said it cyberswede May 2014 #170

Yes, yes he was nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #171

I stand corrected. Blanks May 2014 #173

Not a problem nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #178

It's disappointing that I made such a blunder... Blanks May 2014 #180

It's ok nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #182

WRONG bobduca May 2014 #172

Sometimes, it can be humbling at times. eom Blanks May 2014 #174

When I think "hard left" I think of the black blok types War Horse May 2014 #162

And they are not quite hard left either nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #167

Well, they more than often enough describe themselves as such War Horse May 2014 #169

I know I'm late for this thread. I'll comment. wyldwolf May 2014 #179

The problem is that this mythical nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #181

that's a fact wyldwolf May 2014 #183

But surrendering the language nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #190

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #187

I obviuosly had it wrong... pauliedangerously May 2014 #199

Yes our country has been drug sooo far to the right. oldandhappy May 2014 #206

To paraphrase burrowowl May 2014 #207

About the only thing that constitutes a "hard left" in the US Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #220