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Vattel

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37. Fair enough but . . . (yes there is always a but)

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 12:36 PM

Apr 2012

We have to separate the moral from the legal sense of murder. The mere fact that Martin was unarmed will not suffice to establish murder in the legal sense. If Zimmerman did nothing illegal prior to the fight, Martin threw the first punch, and Zimmerman reasonably feared grave bodily harm, then it is apt to be justifiable self-defense. On the other hand, if you are using murder in a non-legal, moral sense, then I won't argue with you, though I would be incliend to disagree.

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Trayvon Martin: three ways George Zimmerman's story is falling apart [View all] malaise Mar 2012 OP

Prediction CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #1

We'll see malaise Mar 2012 #2

My only hope. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #4

who? Trayvon was already talking on his phone. Noone can say Trayvon reached for his phone. robinlynne Mar 2012 #9

cancel my post. now I see what you mean. robinlynne Mar 2012 #10

Not him Zimmerman CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #23

got it. I dont see it as being complicated at all. no wounds on Trayvon's hands? no bruises on Zimme robinlynne Mar 2012 #27

Good points if they hold up. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #28

me personally/ ok. I would charge him with murder. Possibly robinlynne Mar 2012 #29

So far I am unsure. But that is good thinking. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #30

But, uncomplicaitng, trayvon is dead. Zimmerman doesn't have a scratch on him. Someone was scremain robinlynne Mar 2012 #32

Another point CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31

Only three? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #3

Who are the lawyers? SteveABG Mar 2012 #5

if the Victim was not a black male we wouldn't be reaching for these things JI7 Mar 2012 #6

Trayvon Martin Was Killed Instantly DallasNE Mar 2012 #16

I think the evidence shows Martin was on the phone and then the minute Fawke Em Apr 2012 #38

So the girl on the phone could discern that Zimmerman pushed Martin? Vattel Mar 2012 #7

I can hear when someone is pushed. The phone does pick up more than voice sounds. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #13

Can you hear who is pushed? Vattel Mar 2012 #21

I usually do hear when someone is jostled (it happens in crowds innocently sometimes), If it Dragonfli Mar 2012 #26

That's true, the interruption would be a definite indicator. Vattel Mar 2012 #33

I get what you are saying but.. (there is always a but isn't there?) Dragonfli Apr 2012 #35

Fair enough but . . . (yes there is always a but) Vattel Apr 2012 #37

she could have heard him say "why did you push me" or "don't push me" or something. mucifer Mar 2012 #14

Or the Guardian can't get a story right to save their lives. Vattel Mar 2012 #22

she heard him drop the phone after the push SwampG8r Mar 2012 #17

Right. But the Guardian is saying that she heard Martin being pushed. Vattel Mar 2012 #24

well isnt the guardian a british paper?long distance reporting is tricky stuff SwampG8r Mar 2012 #34

THIS IS IT PINKYNOLA2 Mar 2012 #8

You signed up to post that? Enjoy your stay. K Gardner Mar 2012 #11

Well, the media is so hateful and all, don't they know that this poor man Dragonfli Mar 2012 #12

What do you mean? Zax2me Mar 2012 #18

Yes by all means turn off Fox News!! demgrrrll Mar 2012 #20

CAPS LOCK IS NOT CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME. N/T Ian David Mar 2012 #25

CAPS LOCK IS THE BOMB HATER DUDE /NT Dragonfli Apr 2012 #36

Well, other than THAT, what have you got? I mean, really! Simple mistakes, could have happened uppityperson Mar 2012 #15

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #19