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302. I wonder if they're paying him a flat rate or per leaked-document?

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The vast majority of DU supports Snowden's and Greenwald's actions [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2014 OP

If anyone is making a list of Snowden and Greenwald supporters, scarletwoman May 2014 #1

I care about neither personally but if there is some list of supporters of our rights, put me on too TheKentuckian May 2014 #5

+1 GoneFishin May 2014 #75

You are already on the list dreamnightwind May 2014 #176

Sock Puppets billhicks76 May 2014 #180

Fools billhicks76 May 2014 #182

But, but, but... freebrew May 2014 #218

While I don't think all of the NSA supporters here are socks dreamnightwind May 2014 #183

Yes billhicks76 May 2014 #185

Think there are both sock puppets & Obamabots. lark May 2014 #223

One of their favorite tactics.. LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #225

That's what I'm talkin bout! TheKentuckian May 2014 #286

That's the list I want on too. n/t JimDandy May 2014 #266

People from what I see have honest disagreements. hrmjustin May 2014 #2

Really? You think those who resort to "Comrade Eddie" or "Gigi" or the rotfl smilie are being HONEST riderinthestorm May 2014 #9

Well ok you got me there. Some people resort to name calling. hrmjustin May 2014 #11

I can think of ONE poster who is conflicted and reasonable. The rest are seething and very vocal riderinthestorm May 2014 #16

I am sure there is more than just one. hrmjustin May 2014 #19

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #17

I try to stay away from this issue because it gets very emotional. hrmjustin May 2014 #21

Violation of Constitutional rights seem pretty clear cut to me. At least they were during the Bush sabrina 1 May 2014 #156

It was unconstitutional when GWB was doing it and I think arthritisR_US May 2014 #163

Thank you. I don't feel one bit confused, but sometimes when I read DU I wonder if I made a sabrina 1 May 2014 #171

So true. QC May 2014 #190

Wait, I am a bit confused here. cstanleytech May 2014 #219

Gathering intelligence on other countries is supposed to be the purview arthritisR_US May 2014 #224

You state: truedelphi May 2014 #241

Well, the standing joke within the NSA, since its inception, is that arthritisR_US May 2014 #290

I can't help you on that answer. hrmjustin May 2014 #201

I predict that I will not see a single :rofl: on this thread Capt. Obvious May 2014 #3

You know, this response seriously deservs a rofl mindwalker_i May 2014 #12

I still wouldn't see it Capt. Obvious May 2014 #15

Blocking that smiley would totally silence a number of DUers. QC May 2014 #20

I'm afraid it would be replaced by 10,000 links mindwalker_i May 2014 #36

It's a great idea Capt. Obvious May 2014 #191

That's a really good idea mindwalker_i May 2014 #32

with or without 20 blue links? Doctor_J May 2014 #206

I predict that I will not see that Capt. Obvious May 2014 #207

Wait, you can block posts with :rofl: ? JackRiddler May 2014 #297

Ad block the smiley Capt. Obvious May 2014 #301

I support both Greenwald and Snowden. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #4

What Voltaire believed. Octafish May 2014 #49

I do not support either Dwayne Hicks May 2014 #6

My two cents: I agree. LoisB May 2014 #14

Nor do I... Tikki May 2014 #29

I agree with this. one_voice May 2014 #94

IMO he crossed over into sedition with . . . brush May 2014 #111

nailed it. dionysus May 2014 #117

He didn't "admit he was a spy" Dopers_Greed May 2014 #216

A very slight difference . . . brush May 2014 #275

Agreed. Revealing details of our international covert ops? whathehell May 2014 #277

Exactly. No patriotism in that. nt brush May 2014 #284

When I saw was Holder did to Thomas Drake I can't say I blame arthritisR_US May 2014 #139

I would wager most people have either forgotten or never heard of Thomas Drake nor what he Uncle Joe May 2014 #148

He ended up having a public defender by that hearing because they had bankrupted arthritisR_US May 2014 #155

I believe past results must certainly be taken in to account Uncle Joe May 2014 #159

I used to be dead set against the little prick but after reading up on arthritisR_US May 2014 #162

He did not run to Russia. He went to Hong Kong. The US took away or cancelled his passport JDPriestly May 2014 #144

Knowing what other whistleblowers have gone through and the utter arthritisR_US May 2014 #161

He ran to the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong BEFORE his passport was voided for MADem May 2014 #169

Not only that, but Putin knew Ed was going to the consulate in Hong Kong! Major Hogwash May 2014 #173

Where there's smoke, there's fire, I'm thinkin'.... nt MADem May 2014 #174

According to his Hong Kong legal team, he could not stay in Hong Kong. ancianita May 2014 #213

Snowden’s attorneys had made little headway with the Hong Kong government MADem May 2014 #269

Nonsense. Snowden could have gone ANYWHERES before Greenwald released the info. ANYWHERES. KittyWampus May 2014 #212

Not so. The US has re-routed planes of South American presidents. ancianita May 2014 #215

Excuse me--that didn't happen until Snowden was in RUSSIA. MADem May 2014 #270

The point I was making was that he knew US capabilities in apprehending him. So no, he couldn't ancianita May 2014 #274

He had weeks to get away from HK, had he so chosen to do that. MADem May 2014 #280

going ANYWHERES and receiving asylum there are two very different things.... mike_c May 2014 #244

That just is not accurate. If that were the case, why didn't he stay in HK? MADem May 2014 #283

But two DU push polls that got about 300 votes COMBINED say otherwise! Number23 May 2014 #153

Brilliant! Luminous Animal May 2014 #160

I don't think there are viable alternatives to what Snowden did. Enthusiast May 2014 #193

Agreed. But the information exposed is valuable. riqster May 2014 #198

I'm leaning in this direction. nt arthritisR_US May 2014 #291

what is the better way? noiretextatique May 2014 #205

Please enlighten us about those better ways. Seriously. ancianita May 2014 #211

Oh for gawd's sake LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #227

According to the interview last night, bvar22 May 2014 #250

Does it matter? merrily May 2014 #7

There are some posters with reasonable criticisms of Snowden and Greenwald. Maedhros May 2014 #8

"If OUR president does it, it means it's not a crime" mindwalker_i May 2014 #10

I just don't bother going into their OPs, Autumn May 2014 #13

*** they're heroes. L0oniX May 2014 #18

and those that don't are traitors to privacy stupidicus May 2014 #22

Or more accurately, the constitution. zeemike May 2014 #48

that's a valid point stupidicus May 2014 #54

And I am convinced of that too. zeemike May 2014 #56

So if you think the NSA, which is forbidden by law from spying on citizens... randome May 2014 #58

I am thinking this may be true: JDPriestly May 2014 #149

But The Constitution Is "Just A God-Damned Piece Of Paper" Don'tcha Know ??? WillyT May 2014 #69

The name of the game sulphurdunn May 2014 #23

Bingo! I call 'em "Distractivists". n/t RufusTFirefly May 2014 #34

Great word, I'll try to remember it. n/t dreamnightwind May 2014 #177

Oh, there's a fucking army of paid Distractivists. Enthusiast May 2014 #194

lol Soylent Brice May 2014 #186

the critics are indeed wasting their time grasswire May 2014 #24

Put me down in that 80-90%. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #25

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #26

Well, working from home has so many benefits. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #27

K&R. This is why I sometimes feel nostalgic for unrec RufusTFirefly May 2014 #28

only if the vast majority of du'ers voted in your 2 polls... spanone May 2014 #30

That Papa Paul Math is bugger Cryptoad May 2014 #41

Do the vast majority of voters vote in polls? zeemike May 2014 #55

yeah, i never knew a few polls with less that 170 responses spoke for the "vast majority" of DU... dionysus May 2014 #105

Yikes! That many?! Thanks for the awesome update dionysus. sheshe2 May 2014 #121

But not nearly so hate-filled as "etc." MannyGoldstein May 2014 #123

Well~ sheshe2 May 2014 #125

I just got a hide for saying I couldn't believe that people still read the posts from a person here Number23 May 2014 #158

And of course somebody alerted on this too. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #188

I have a recommendation for you, you can take or leave it as you'd like. MADem May 2014 #259

MAD, that's excellent advice but you know as well as I do that it won't do a thing Number23 May 2014 #273

Thanks for the heads up. Love that I was supposed to "learn" something from that first Number23 May 2014 #271

I don't like alert stalking no matter who is doing it or who is the recipient. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #272

Sadly I am not surprised... sheshe2 May 2014 #199

I never knew that a few polls with less the 50 responses spoke for ANYONE, let alone sabrina 1 May 2014 #133

Glenn isn't as much of a journalist as he is an editorialist, IMHO, and a sheer opportunist to boot. dionysus May 2014 #294

170 is a large number of responses to a DU poll. JDPriestly May 2014 #151

Plus or minus 5%, 19 times out of 20. Electric Monk May 2014 #278

So you must too! ProSense May 2014 #31

Manny being Manny.... MADem May 2014 #37

We know who Snowden is with... Whisp May 2014 #60

Really? Are we back in 7th grade now? Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #68

oh, you got held back a couple years? sorry about that. n/t Whisp May 2014 #72

Well, considering that Snowden flunked out of high school and had to get a GED... randome May 2014 #73

You know what they say.. MrMickeysMom May 2014 #107

Wow, that was low even for you. nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #120

I wonder if GG delivered ES a check--after all, GG fenced the goods that ES stole. MADem May 2014 #99

i highly doubt it. nt dionysus May 2014 #106

He looks like he's living well. Moscow is a Very Expensive City. MADem May 2014 #109

most likely his russian handlers... dionysus May 2014 #116

They gave him a job at a school book depository jberryhill May 2014 #128

hee hee. Whisp May 2014 #131

Didn't we read that Snowden has a job in Russia working on their version of Facebook? JDPriestly May 2014 #145

I understand that job offer was withdrawn. MADem May 2014 #168

Project much...??? (eom) CanSocDem May 2014 #200

It's called "drawing a logical conclusion," not projecting, but thanks for playing. MADem May 2014 #261

+1...nt SidDithers May 2014 #248

If he's as smart as I'm told that he is... Blanks May 2014 #251

He told Brian Williams he doesn't speak Russian. MADem May 2014 #254

Still, if you were in Russia with nothing better to do... Blanks May 2014 #260

That KGB friend of Putin's, who is now his lawyer (gee, what a coincidence), gave him MADem May 2014 #264

I wonder if they're paying him a flat rate or per leaked-document? George II May 2014 #302

No no no no no! sheshe2 May 2014 #126

That accusation has been roundly debunked, and ah hepped!!! MADem May 2014 #130

Thank you Gawd! sheshe2 May 2014 #136

We will have to get together for some Shake-n-Bake real soon, and call each other by our MADem May 2014 #137

Sounds good to me! sheshe2 May 2014 #140

Only if ah kin hep!!!!! MADem May 2014 #142

MADem, do you really think it is OK for the NSA, the executive branch, to collect all of our JDPriestly May 2014 #157

I think that what Snowden did--when he had options--was reprehensible. MADem May 2014 #166

I might agree with you if your assumption that a whistleblower can find JDPriestly May 2014 #285

Snowden had--so he insists--capabilities that other whistleblowers did not have. MADem May 2014 #288

Well, you gave it a try, anyway. woo me with science May 2014 #268

Well of course you can~ nt sheshe2 May 2014 #197

She's gonna get a vaca one of these days... Send pix of the fried chicken. freshwest May 2014 #292

How ironic. I've been downloading chicken recipers for BTA today... n/t freshwest May 2014 #289

And you have to photoshop GG head on someone elses body to make you childish smear? LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #233

Hitler wasn't available but Omidyar was: Whisp May 2014 #236

Oh, I guess Hitler would be on your side, sorry LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #240

RON PAUL ROCKS!!! so much I had to add him to the family: Whisp May 2014 #242

So... black and white it is... LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #245

Are you calling God stupid? Whisp May 2014 #246

God? I'll leave her out of it LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #247

If one saved me from being run over by a bus Whisp May 2014 #249

ha ha! MADem May 2014 #300

two polls.. each with less than 175 votes.. DU clearly has spoken.... dionysus May 2014 #101

It's probably just Obama support fbc May 2014 #33

For some reason we occasionally are strongarmed to some members views liberal N proud May 2014 #35

I'm in the minority and have no intention of shutting up perdita9 May 2014 #38

The Non-Conformist Oath struggle4progress May 2014 #39

I heard Comrade Snowden's new Beach House Cryptoad May 2014 #40

DU only has 151 members? blue neen May 2014 #42

The "vast majority of DU" ProSense May 2014 #57

"I am not here to hide from justice." Said from his undisclosed location in Hong Kong. randome May 2014 #43

Snowden ProSense May 2014 #44

Snowden is a traitor of the highest order IMO. Trust Buster May 2014 #45

That statement's got to be a mile wide and an inch thick MrMickeysMom May 2014 #112

But corporate America is not bound by the Constitution to respect your rights. JDPriestly May 2014 #147

solely for reasons of profit and not imprisonment frylock May 2014 #231

Bullshit! nt Logical May 2014 #256

Strictly out of curiosity, would you please name some traitors of 2nd & 3rd highest orders? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #295

I'm watching 'Rushmore' with my daughters this evening. randome May 2014 #46

awesome choice of film. dionysus May 2014 #296

Possibly in a moment's kindness Manny they flattered you in a poll. ucrdem May 2014 #47

I vote for the Presidential Medal of Freedom for Snowden Jake2413 May 2014 #50

Unfortunately, on DU we mistake number of posts with member population Android3.14 May 2014 #51

"obsessive posting from this oddly isolated group on DU is something like addiction" carolinayellowdog May 2014 #82

That seems a better description than mine Android3.14 May 2014 #90

Hey Manny....the last time I was in a minority like that, it was 9/12. I didn't support Bush. So msanthrope May 2014 #52

I am firmly in the minority here at DU because rury May 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp May 2014 #59

Yes, Whisp, ENOUGH!!!! msanthrope May 2014 #61

I moved it to #60. Whisp May 2014 #62

Apparently there's a movement to ban the popcorn smilie as well. Shall we do msanthrope May 2014 #63

These folks cry so hard over the rofl smiley because they know they're jokes Number23 May 2014 #164

Yes We Do... WillyT May 2014 #64

K&R bobduca May 2014 #65

Yeah, a vast majority of maybe 170 people. Incredible! n/t albino65 May 2014 #66

Don't bring Math into this!!! That means you support the NSA. nt msanthrope May 2014 #67

You Haven't Been Here Long Enough To "Know" The Math... WillyT May 2014 #71

A good sample! Get sampling? nt Logical May 2014 #257

Thank You Snowden, Thank You Greenwald, Thank You Manny cantbeserious May 2014 #70

Why did the Post and the Guardian win a Pulitzer for Public Service? RufusTFirefly May 2014 #74

Why did Obama win a Nobel before he even had a chance to be President? randome May 2014 #78

because bobduca May 2014 #84

That's what the ignore function is for Blecht May 2014 #76

What? I can't hear you! Speak up! randome May 2014 #77

The participants in the survey are self selected so that may skew results, but I think your point Ed Suspicious May 2014 #79

therefore the vast majority must be drowned out by the desperate minority carolinayellowdog May 2014 #80

Another possibility: Raine1967 May 2014 #81

As a Liberal I love the federal government. String Fiesta May 2014 #83

He exposed massive criminality by our government. As a result, he is the target of smear campaigns. woo me with science May 2014 #85

"smearing clowns have no credibility whatsoever." bobduca May 2014 #86

Credibility doesn't matter a whit. It's all about getting the smear and diversion out there. woo me with science May 2014 #88

+1 a whole fucking bunch. Enthusiast May 2014 #196

I support both of their actions. The character attacks tell me much more about the GoneFishin May 2014 #87

+ 100 cantbeserious May 2014 #118

Fuckin A! TheKentuckian May 2014 #178

Yes, they do. madfloridian May 2014 #89

I never knew DU was so small..... brooklynite May 2014 #91

in purposefully misleading-land it is... dionysus May 2014 #108

Check in if you Support President Barack Hussein Obama ProSense May 2014 #92

Missed Opportunity! bobduca May 2014 #95

Snowden is an unusual man, an interesting man who I am grateful to. I would know less Jefferson23 May 2014 #93

Excellent thread, Manny. Tremendous effort and resources are being poured into woo me with science May 2014 #96

You rock. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #98

Excellent read! Pholus May 2014 #184

Yes they do. So do a majority of the American people, not to mention the German, British, Irish, sabrina 1 May 2014 #97

LOL.. two polls with less than 175 votes. keep trying manny... dionysus May 2014 #100

Well, Manny… All I can say is my Rec is #101 for this thread... MrMickeysMom May 2014 #102

When I hear that from someone whose opinion matters, like an Admin, I'll give a damn. Until then Rowdyboy May 2014 #103

it's extremely presumptuous of you to falsely accuse Manny carolinayellowdog May 2014 #175

Sorry to disappoint you but no one tells me what to think, the number of recs notwithstanding.... Rowdyboy May 2014 #208

More evidence that DU does not reflect ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #104

53% of Americans want the info disclosed, 24% not MannyGoldstein May 2014 #113

And ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #114

And sheshe2 May 2014 #129

I don't think any useful conclusions can be drawn from your polls... Blanks May 2014 #252

Absolutely! n/t Peregrine Took May 2014 #110

Yes! mia May 2014 #115

You can count me among Snowden's and Greenwald's supporters, as well... elzenmahn May 2014 #119

Same thing at the Daily Kos psiman May 2014 #122

Got aa link to that? Lol, it's always fun watching them reveal themselves. They are showing sabrina 1 May 2014 #124

The same justification was used for homophobia and racism for many years. Renew Deal May 2014 #127

You mean, the vast majority of those who responded to those polls support Snowden and Greenwald. DavidDvorkin May 2014 #132

KNR DirkGently May 2014 #134

Is there a reason you didn't do a poll? n/t pnwmom May 2014 #135

I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told... Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #138

WOW. That is an incredibly loud 15 or so people. Marr May 2014 #141

Our government was caught.. mvd May 2014 #143

I support. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2014 #146

Damn straight. DeSwiss May 2014 #150

The tyranny of the majority always has to be counterbalanced by the voice of the minority. Rex May 2014 #152

vocal is fine, singing multipart harmony in a hymn to the US govt is not carolinayellowdog May 2014 #262

I am no GG/Snowden supporter, but even I can see the deflection going on. Rex May 2014 #265

Well, when you're a party apparatchik, and you're *supposed* to post defenses of the indefensible villager May 2014 #154

Well then... It's settled. JohnnyRingo May 2014 #165

And Julian Assange, I believe. snot May 2014 #167

Feds are bold faced LIARS?!?! Who coulda known?!?! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #170

The vast majority of DU members don't even know what Snowden did!! Major Hogwash May 2014 #172

Some of the documents themselves may provide an answer. Helen Borg May 2014 #179

add my name on there too Coolest Ranger May 2014 #181

Read Greenwald's book ... DrBulldog May 2014 #187

Why is it so important to you that people should disagree with Skidmore May 2014 #189

Did the dentist flashbang May 2014 #202

I support Snowden's and Greenwald's actions. Enthusiast May 2014 #192

ZZZZZZZZZZZ rtracey May 2014 #195

I support Snowden/Greenwald, but didn't vote in either poll because I never saw those posts. nt NorthCarolina May 2014 #203

... Scuba May 2014 #204

Snowden and Greenwald johnny156 May 2014 #209

We should vote on which opinions can be Progressive dog May 2014 #210

148 votes in one poll, 169 votes in the other, and you make that proclamation? George II May 2014 #214

I do...knr joeybee12 May 2014 #217

Argumentum ad populum, really? themaguffin May 2014 #220

I so agree lark May 2014 #221

The first poll... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #222

And DU "supported" Dennis Kucinich for President. Democrats? Not so much. What's your point? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #226

Hive mind... SidDithers May 2014 #230

I mean, it's the internet. Alex Jones is popular on the internet. Snowdenistas are in great company. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #235

The vast majority of DUers wanted Kucinich to be President... SidDithers May 2014 #228

Edwards was the bee's knees here too amongst a certain subset. MADem May 2014 #299

Well if you are going to word the survey "Sad" that he did it then yes most people won't answer it. gholtron May 2014 #229

So if members of your family were wronged in a serious way... LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #239

Yes. gholtron May 2014 #258

Just to add to my previous response post gholtron May 2014 #263

i support the disclosures frylock May 2014 #232

I support their actions. No, I suppose it is not worth responding to the supporters of the Military Zorra May 2014 #234

This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp May 2014 #237

Thanks for renewing my faith in this site, Manny. robertpaulsen May 2014 #238

glad to see you; many of us are sick of the anti-Snowden/Greenwald shitstorm carolinayellowdog May 2014 #253

rec'd mike_c May 2014 #243

DURec! bvar22 May 2014 #255

Glad to rec and kick. Jakes Progress May 2014 #267

When you use the word "overall" you get me on board too randys1 May 2014 #276

Oh Manny how wrong you are. Puglover May 2014 #279

I can only see 6 out of 176 posts THANK YOU IGNORE LIST! carolinayellowdog May 2014 #281

Seriously. Puglover May 2014 #282

No matter what Snowden said ... DrBulldog May 2014 #287

I support Snowden, haven't paid any attention to Greenwald so neutral. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #293

I did the same two polls a while ago! JackRiddler May 2014 #298

100% raindaddy Jun 2014 #303