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TheKentuckian

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36. We are far down the rabbithole that even the most emotional advocate
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 12:48 PM
Apr 2012

percieves the problem as being unable to "buy healthcare in this country" rather than this beloved friend having the RIGH to healthcare in this country.

The writer cannot escape the paradigm of life being a commodity any more than Scalia can, she just thinks that all of those who can afford it should be able to buy it. Scalia wants insurance only as a means for companies to extract money from "the small people" that are healthy mostly for the illusion of security and the writer wants the asserted purpose to actual, which means those with the means should get coverage, and coverage should translate to care.

Both arguments only vary in levels of insanity because both insist that we are discussing a rational market, when we are not and cannot be. No one knows what they need, what they want are for their needs to be met, and need will determine quantities.

We now have an argument where "the good guys" are almost as off track as "the bad guys" but are less callous and cruel on an individual by individual level but are just as commited to the underlying batshit crazy structures in the health system and both percieve healthcare as a commodity to profit from, and both insist that a predatory cartel be the gatekeeper for access to care.

The underlying commitment to the way we conduct these affairs is strong on both sides with each really wanting to make small adjustments one making it just a little more wild west to increase profits and reduce premium costs and the other essentially just wanting to have their money taken if they are without coverage.
The difference is indeed monumental, but neither is honest or engaged in undoing a set of problems that create huge amounts of entropy well beyond insurance markets or even healthcare.

No amount of money should be buying healthcare, it should be a right and anything that establishes a responsibility rather than a right isn't going in the correct heading.

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Our system of healthcare is deadly. nt Ilsa Apr 2012 #1
Fat Tony and his crew Hawkowl Apr 2012 #2
+1 CrispyQ Apr 2012 #3
Mine used to rhyme, through the whole Bush admin - impeach, prosecute, convict, execute. saras Apr 2012 #7
Here's a link to contact the Supremes. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #24
I know someone whose cancer medication costs thousands of JDPriestly Apr 2012 #38
It's the same for many who have autoimmune disorders also. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #66
Thanks. I have been criticized greatly for mentioning the Edwards JDPriestly Apr 2012 #71
Shouldn't the question be why you need insurance to get chemo? dkf Apr 2012 #4
+1 nt freedom fighter jh Apr 2012 #10
Should life be weighed blindly on the same scales as commerce? freshwest Apr 2012 #5
I bet that she heard "I'll pray for you" dotymed Apr 2012 #6
yup. Shadowflash Apr 2012 #20
Oh, yes, the prayer dismissal, meaning not my problem. It's also used as a curse. freshwest Apr 2012 #22
I think you wast too many words denigrating some ladies with good hearts and xtraxritical Apr 2012 #25
Thank you. But I'm not denigrating little ladies who get angry at the poor. freshwest Apr 2012 #34
Your first post AuntEileen Apr 2012 #51
Thanks. Things kinda disintegrated from there. We need to focus on the big picture. freshwest Apr 2012 #55
Not denigrating? xtraxritical Apr 2012 #64
You are well named. You cherry pick my post to find fault and lash out. No go. freshwest Apr 2012 #65
Brilliant post davidthegnome Apr 2012 #67
The free market will solve everything. SpartanDem Apr 2012 #8
Yes, yes, it will HeiressofBickworth Apr 2012 #44
????? holy april fool Apr 2012 #9
Read the article. drm604 Apr 2012 #13
Don't waste your energy--that ass got his pizza after four scant posts. nt MADem Apr 2012 #15
Du needs more chlorophyll Morning Dew Apr 2012 #17
GOP: "If someone else pays for it, it is not a right". Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #11
So if ACA is struck down as unconstitutional, do MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #12
I wish I could believe that they would. drm604 Apr 2012 #14
What harm would it be to... try? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #19
yup. Shadowflash Apr 2012 #21
No harm at all. drm604 Apr 2012 #35
Just like they did last time? quakerboy Apr 2012 #49
Yep, that's the only solution. Easier to rag on the minority there, though... freshwest Apr 2012 #23
VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT be happy and sane again! xtraxritical Apr 2012 #28
Yes. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #39
"Fuck you, Scalia," is too polite. MsPithy Apr 2012 #16
Here's a link to contact the Supreme Court so you can tell them directly. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #29
Scalia would probably respond by saying "quack, quack" again aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #41
When I think about this it makes me so mad ... jimlup Apr 2012 #18
I'm in the same situation as Wendy was. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #32
If you are truly in Wendy's situation - Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #48
I cannot afford it. I'm over 55 in Texas. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #62
Call the hospital and ask to speak with their financial counselor Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #63
When he goes before his judge, in a court much superior to his, he will have much to answer for. libinnyandia Apr 2012 #26
Quick trip to Canada cyglet Apr 2012 #27
Or Mexico, or India, or Thailand. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #57
Scalia has all the empathy of his buddy Dick Cheney Faygo Kid Apr 2012 #30
What gets me the most about all this is that we - the taxpayers - pay for the SCOTUS healthcare. jillan Apr 2012 #31
The supreme court is mandating us with insurance to pay for health care for those who don't have ins julian09 Apr 2012 #40
Fuck everyone having the mentality that GE should pay little/no Federal income taxes and the Mittens indepat Apr 2012 #33
+1 freshwest Apr 2012 #68
We are far down the rabbithole that even the most emotional advocate TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #36
Well said.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #37
I agree should be a right julian09 Apr 2012 #42
very well said Locrian Apr 2012 #43
Barbaric. Goddammit. nt Chorophyll Apr 2012 #45
Making health care a for profit industry was the biggest mistake we've ever made. Initech Apr 2012 #46
K&R SunSeeker Apr 2012 #47
Scalia is a piece of shit. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #50
I'm pretty sure JEB Apr 2012 #52
I would find it VERY difficult to call him Justice. I'd probably address him as "YOU" nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #54
NOBODY can buy time baseballguy2001 Apr 2012 #53
But Steve Jobs was able to purchase additional time and quality of life - the OP's friend wasn't. haele Apr 2012 #56
+1 freshwest Apr 2012 #69
It's over baseballguy2001 Apr 2012 #58
You seem ProSense Apr 2012 #59
I'll try to be a bit more kind but the wording of your post did not come out well. haele Apr 2012 #60
Excellent post. Thanks. freshwest Apr 2012 #70
Your friend was the sort of person the 1% wants left to die Ken Burch Apr 2012 #61
What percentage of Wendy's meager healthcare dollars does the insurance industry "Deserve"? Romulox Apr 2012 #72
We need to lose the conditioning which says that in order to enjoy perfect health do the hustle Apr 2012 #73
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