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78. I thought it was established that the NSA spies on everyone?

Sat May 31, 2014, 06:44 PM

May 2014

These are just the names they comb through and single out.

Once the Utah facility goes on-line (has it?) how many days' of raw phone and e-mail data will the NSA be able to store, long-term?

These are the names of the people they're allowed to search their database for.

The premise being that the customer records are allowed to be kept indefinitely without a warrant if they are not searched.

There's apparently no audit for doing so, though. (As in, the government said they have no way of knowing who's gone in and looked up their girlfriend's phone records, only when they catch them in the act.) As for Snowden's 2m worth of data, they all appear to be from an NSA private webserver containing company records and the like, not raw signals intelligence which might include actual citizens' metadata, since the newspaper articles claim he used a Googlebot to spider them or something.

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List Of Americans Who Have Been Individually Spied On Will Soon Be Released "biggest disclosure yet" [View all] Leopolds Ghost May 2014 OP

Now that will be an interesting list. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #1

I think you're right brush May 2014 #30

I don't think it will come about Aerows Jun 2014 #130

Maybe . . . brush Jun 2014 #139

I think there will be a lot of alsame May 2014 #2

By the way, for anyone reading this thread, The Bottom Two Video Links are the most important thing. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #24

"The number of Youtube comments seems to have leveled off at 1,337 for some reason... just saying." bananas May 2014 #70

That was pretty damn funny Aerows Jun 2014 #128

Why the suspense, release it already seveneyes May 2014 #3

Because it's a 'fireworks show'! randome May 2014 #4

Fireworks shows Aerows May 2014 #32

He/She who laughs loudest is usually in denial. randome May 2014 #57

I know we are being spied on, and the President himself has admitted it. So either you believe him sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #103

The only thing President Obama said about spying on Americans... randome Jun 2014 #110

Amazing irony here-- Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #126

It is rather hilarious Aerows Jun 2014 #131

I'm not laughing at anyone. randome Jun 2014 #133

It's okay to laugh Aerows Jun 2014 #149

BINGO. Rex Jun 2014 #138

We shall soon know for sure. Hopefully you are right, but who knows? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #136

LOL! Like you know anything about the NSA! Rex Jun 2014 #137

Let's not offend our "expert" on all things NSA Aerows Jun 2014 #150

I told this story to a prominent whistleblower-type and... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #6

No $$$$ in not promoting the show. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #27

No attention to the story Aerows May 2014 #33

Maybe; but as I mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #37

I think you will get it :) Aerows May 2014 #38

Has that claim ever been made? 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #46

Look at the reply above you Aerows May 2014 #64

Which reply ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #112

You. Aerows Jun 2014 #119

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #121

Well, if you assume everyone in those three hops are guilty Aerows Jun 2014 #123

It seems you are conflating several different programs ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #135

I don't have any confusion Aerows Jun 2014 #151

How is something determined to be unconstitutional? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #158

SCOTUS has made a LOT of rulings, we just don't like. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #159

This is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #161

How would folks here feel if the courts overturned Roe v. Wade? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #167

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #169

So if an American is on our soil but has been in contact with terrorist groups... randome May 2014 #58

That's the Bingo question that no GG fanclub member will TOUCH. n/t Whisp May 2014 #66

Warrant, duh :P Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #75

Start throwing out the need for warrants Aerows May 2014 #85

Agreed. But there is no evidence the NSA monitors American suspects without a warrant. randome May 2014 #88

The problem is, they use blanket warrants. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #90

"They use blanket warrants". You are -again- talking about the phone metadata records. randome May 2014 #92

Per Gellman, who broke the story for Snowden at Wash. Post, there are 4 programs: 2 meta 2 content Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #98

PRISM is not a bulk collection program. randome Jun 2014 #115

Besides which, you are asserting that metadata is 4th-amendment proof just because of current court Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #99

If you think the NSA disregards all privacy concerns of American citizens... randome Jun 2014 #118

And also asserting what PRISM is and is not Aerows Jun 2014 #125

Indeed. A "warrant" that affects Aerows May 2014 #97

I know that you and I are on different sides of this Aerows May 2014 #95

And thank you for your own civil reply! randome Jun 2014 #116

Spoiler Alert: No need to wait, Aerows--I have an advance copy Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #132

When there is so much bullshit that you can barely move for stepping in it Aerows Jun 2014 #134

Every headline, even on the inside pages, will produce a few more book sales. MADem May 2014 #52

I agree Andy823 May 2014 #54

Ha ha ha! Fair point, that!!!! MADem May 2014 #56

Ha! Great point, Andy. Why a list, isn't EVERYONE already surveilled? Whisp May 2014 #67

I think this is a list of everyone who has been singled out under a secret court order. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #76

... but since the NSA are apparently very careful to follow the FISA law (it's a rubber stamp court) Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #77

I suspect part of the reason for spreading it out is denying the government the opportunity... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #86

I agree with you 100%. This is not about revealing the truth to the public. randome May 2014 #91

You don't agree with me at all, actually. The government image needed to be harmed. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #93

If Snowden would have done a dump Aerows Jun 2014 #120

It's nice.. sendero May 2014 #94

Be funnier to see the reaction of some of the Anti-Snowden crowd finding out they are being watched. Katashi_itto May 2014 #5

Should we be perversely proud of it? Who's the most watched person on DU? Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #12

All very true observations Sir Katashi_itto May 2014 #13

Indeed :) Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #14

Some people seem to have some really big egos... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #26

You certainly would know. Katashi_itto May 2014 #35

at least I don't think what I am doing on DU is of concern to the govt.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

Lol! Katashi_itto May 2014 #45

Priceless in what way.....please enlighten me... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

I already did. Katashi_itto May 2014 #72

No actually you didn't but please do....I am waiting for your response VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #79

Don't, I addressed your subject elsewhere. Katashi_itto May 2014 #82

Yeah I figured you couldn't... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #83

You go ahead and do that. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #104

oh please elaborate ....please provide proof of this silly VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #109

Lol! Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #111

because you got nada! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #113

You keep believing that. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #114

don't have to.....I KNOW it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #122

True, every authoritarian state has enablers Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #124

So which states are not Authoritarian? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #140

Yes and they all have their Anarchists who don't believe in govt at all... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #141

I am just being humorous. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #49

Exactly. Andy823 May 2014 #55

Same here Tsiyu May 2014 #73

I thought it was established that the NSA spies on everyone? Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #78

Exactly Aerows May 2014 #34

Agree! Katashi_itto May 2014 #36

Who said the NSA cannot spy on Americans? Of course they can, with msanthrope May 2014 #39

It's easy to argue for or against anything Aerows May 2014 #41

As if FISA doesn't exist! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #48

I'm against it. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #50

FISA is not an Obama policy.......that started years ago.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #61

No, you're not. Without FISA, warrantless wiretapping would be legal. stevenleser May 2014 #96

I just posted above (#99) about people apparently think warrantless wiretapping is constitutional Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #100

I've covered this extensively and supplied all the relevant appellate decisions. It's not opinion. stevenleser Jun 2014 #101

What you mean is that it's the opinion of the COURT system that Americans have no inherent 4th prot Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #106

The court is one third of the power treestar Jun 2014 #142

No. And FISA was a reaction to the very quote you are talking about. stevenleser Jun 2014 #143

The 2nd Amendment DOES only apply to militias... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #148

No one has forgotten that the pretense of any semblance of oversight is a secret Star Chamber TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #147

It's not supposed to stop surveillance. It's supposed to be a near rubber stamp. stevenleser Jun 2014 #154

Nonsense. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #155

I have presented applicable appellate law to you and you have no counter for it. stevenleser Jun 2014 #163

You are using court cases to justify tyranny. The courts once held that slavery was ok Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #164

I am "doing" nothing. There is no tyranny. No one is being beaten or killed or denied agency. stevenleser Jun 2014 #175

Universal surveillance is a form of tyranny. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #176

First of all, you just made that up. Second there is no universal surveillance. stevenleser Jun 2014 #177

I have a feeling you are going to be very disappointed... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #43

Wrong thread. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #7

Your reply has been seen, and noted. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #8

My apologies, I thought I was directly responding to this thread: MohRokTah May 2014 #10

Thanks for all the work you did on this post.... KoKo May 2014 #9

Certainly, KoKo! I saved the OP before I posted. Here's another good quote from Kos thread: Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #11

I've downloaded her book...on Chapter 1...so far it's a great read.....! KoKo May 2014 #16

Kicked, recommended and bookmarked. Uncle Joe May 2014 #15

What we'll hear from the defenders: neverforget May 2014 #17

My bet Egnever May 2014 #18

I second that sentiment....and some DU'ers are going to be so disappointed THEY are not on the list! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #28

My only questions are ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #29

anyone here thinks their name will be on the list? Duppers May 2014 #19

Um... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #23

"side in the culture wars." 'Bout sums it up... Eleanors38 May 2014 #25

What a lot of blue links treestar May 2014 #20

I was going for an All-Blue Post. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #53

Great thread, great resources. Thank you! Squinch May 2014 #21

if the members of the top 400 families were on the list, we have a new law by next week. nt Leme May 2014 #22

"...a President who's been--from the get-go--all over this process to insure it IS gutted." villager May 2014 #31

If I was a small fish Aerows May 2014 #40

The Fish Octafish May 2014 #51

Something fishy about your post. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #146

Great post, Leopolds Ghost! Octafish May 2014 #44

Amen! Aerows Jun 2014 #127

Does anybody have an exact time? mudy waters May 2014 #59

Yeah. "Soon." randome May 2014 #60

So you don't have answer mudy waters May 2014 #63

Greenwald has no answer. He's probably trying to think up distinctive names right now. randome May 2014 #89

More crap, a different story, who thinks the NSA ic continuing these same programs? Thinkingabout May 2014 #62

I had the utmost respect for Ann Richards Aerows May 2014 #68

;) Luminous Animal May 2014 #71

He passed the background because he had help from at least one person inside the contractor underthematrix Jun 2014 #152

I have thought for some time he had the backing of some one or group. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #153

Yes, it's called the CIA. He *taught* at the Defense Intelligence School in DC Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #156

What about the classes he attended in India? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #157

Unfamiliar with those Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #160

He is being used by many other countries, he is a patsy, don't know who the Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #162

An anti-Snowden conspiracy theory? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #165

He just keeps on giving, now it is not about revealing anything, he is not a patriot of the US Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #166

From what I understand, he doesn't have the info anymore... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #168

His first problem was stealing files in the first place. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #170

The law is the law, right? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #171

Yep, especially when affects every citizen in the US. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #173

Well then why isn't the Administration prosecuting Bush Admin wrong-doers for NSA abuse? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #179

To be fair to Holder, yes there is a tradition of selective prosecution in the interests of justice Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #180

It does not matter what the status on others committing crimes, when and if Snowden goes Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #182

What Snowden did is only a crime if you believe what the NSA did is NOT a crime. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #183

Good, now this is settled, the procedure the NSA is following and has been following since 2008 Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #185

No, what's settled is that you and stevenleser support the FISA "reform" act that legalized Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #188

What does corporate criminalshave to do with Snowden committing the crimes he committed? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #189

No, I'm saying the courts said that if Verizon et al were turning over records as Drake said, Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #191

Is the present administration responsible for investigating the wrongs done in the Bush Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #181

*puts palms to forehead* Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #184

this dog dont hunt Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #186

*sigh* Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #190

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #65

If the list is authetic and complete.. DCBob May 2014 #69

OK, this brings up an interesting point Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #74

I can release a list of names. Pull the white pages into an editor and pick them randomly stevenleser Jun 2014 #102

There are two points at issue here, it seems: Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #108

No. Greenwald listing names doesnt mean anything without more info. stevenleser Jun 2014 #144

what does "Soon" mean ? JI7 May 2014 #80

It's Happening... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #87

I think I heard Greenwald tell Colbert or somebody during his book tour that it would be August. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #105

Why? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #107

Good Points... I had read July...but maybe pushed back for the vetting. n/t KoKo Jun 2014 #187

Thank You For Sharing - Thank You Snowden - Thank You Greenwald cantbeserious May 2014 #81

I can just imagine the outrage from congress and the senate as all their names are listed. L0oniX May 2014 #84

And to save face Aerows Jun 2014 #117

I'm kinda nervous-- Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #129

So much surveillance... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #145

Yeh, I'd be crushed...totally humiliated. Zorra Jun 2014 #172

If my luck holds Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #178

This is an outstanding post. woo me with science Jun 2014 #174