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In reply to the discussion: List Of Americans Who Have Been Individually Spied On Will Soon Be Released "biggest disclosure yet" [View all]Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)107. Why?
So is the gov't telling them they will have an answer by August on which names to not publish for national security reasons?
The FISA and Patriot Act will be amended by then to account for the re-legalization of all this stuff for the upteenth time, this time in public.
We can't claim to have a complaint against it if they legalized it first through court precedent, then behind closed doors, then buried in a bill claiming to end the practice of illegal ___ (by making it legal).
Like when the past few Presidents said we had "fixed welfare" by kicking more people off the rolls.
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List Of Americans Who Have Been Individually Spied On Will Soon Be Released "biggest disclosure yet" [View all]
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
OP
By the way, for anyone reading this thread, The Bottom Two Video Links are the most important thing.
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
#24
"The number of Youtube comments seems to have leveled off at 1,337 for some reason... just saying."
bananas
May 2014
#70
I know we are being spied on, and the President himself has admitted it. So either you believe him
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#103
So if an American is on our soil but has been in contact with terrorist groups...
randome
May 2014
#58
Agreed. But there is no evidence the NSA monitors American suspects without a warrant.
randome
May 2014
#88
"They use blanket warrants". You are -again- talking about the phone metadata records.
randome
May 2014
#92
Per Gellman, who broke the story for Snowden at Wash. Post, there are 4 programs: 2 meta 2 content
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#98
Besides which, you are asserting that metadata is 4th-amendment proof just because of current court
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#99
I think this is a list of everyone who has been singled out under a secret court order.
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
#76
... but since the NSA are apparently very careful to follow the FISA law (it's a rubber stamp court)
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
#77
I suspect part of the reason for spreading it out is denying the government the opportunity...
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#86
You don't agree with me at all, actually. The government image needed to be harmed.
Gravitycollapse
May 2014
#93
Be funnier to see the reaction of some of the Anti-Snowden crowd finding out they are being watched.
Katashi_itto
May 2014
#5
Should we be perversely proud of it? Who's the most watched person on DU?
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
#12
at least I don't think what I am doing on DU is of concern to the govt....
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#42
Yes and they all have their Anarchists who don't believe in govt at all...
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#141
I just posted above (#99) about people apparently think warrantless wiretapping is constitutional
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#100
I've covered this extensively and supplied all the relevant appellate decisions. It's not opinion.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#101
What you mean is that it's the opinion of the COURT system that Americans have no inherent 4th prot
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#106
No one has forgotten that the pretense of any semblance of oversight is a secret Star Chamber
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#147
It's not supposed to stop surveillance. It's supposed to be a near rubber stamp.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#154
I have presented applicable appellate law to you and you have no counter for it.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#163
You are using court cases to justify tyranny. The courts once held that slavery was ok
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#164
I am "doing" nothing. There is no tyranny. No one is being beaten or killed or denied agency.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#175
First of all, you just made that up. Second there is no universal surveillance.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#177
Certainly, KoKo! I saved the OP before I posted. Here's another good quote from Kos thread:
Leopolds Ghost
May 2014
#11
I second that sentiment....and some DU'ers are going to be so disappointed THEY are not on the list!
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#28
if the members of the top 400 families were on the list, we have a new law by next week. nt
Leme
May 2014
#22
"...a President who's been--from the get-go--all over this process to insure it IS gutted."
villager
May 2014
#31
Greenwald has no answer. He's probably trying to think up distinctive names right now.
randome
May 2014
#89
More crap, a different story, who thinks the NSA ic continuing these same programs?
Thinkingabout
May 2014
#62
He passed the background because he had help from at least one person inside the contractor
underthematrix
Jun 2014
#152
Yes, it's called the CIA. He *taught* at the Defense Intelligence School in DC
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#156
He is being used by many other countries, he is a patsy, don't know who the
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#162
He just keeps on giving, now it is not about revealing anything, he is not a patriot of the US
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#166
Well then why isn't the Administration prosecuting Bush Admin wrong-doers for NSA abuse?
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#179
To be fair to Holder, yes there is a tradition of selective prosecution in the interests of justice
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#180
It does not matter what the status on others committing crimes, when and if Snowden goes
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#182
What Snowden did is only a crime if you believe what the NSA did is NOT a crime.
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#183
Good, now this is settled, the procedure the NSA is following and has been following since 2008
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#185
No, what's settled is that you and stevenleser support the FISA "reform" act that legalized
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#188
What does corporate criminalshave to do with Snowden committing the crimes he committed?
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#189
No, I'm saying the courts said that if Verizon et al were turning over records as Drake said,
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2014
#191
Is the present administration responsible for investigating the wrongs done in the Bush
Thinkingabout
Jun 2014
#181
I can release a list of names. Pull the white pages into an editor and pick them randomly
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#102
I think I heard Greenwald tell Colbert or somebody during his book tour that it would be August. nt
ChisolmTrailDem
Jun 2014
#105