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Vattel

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Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:01 AM Jun 2014

An attempt to get the facts straight on the release of the Snowden email by the NSA [View all]

Here is my attempt to summarize the events surrounding the released email from Snowden to NSA lawyers. Please correct me if I have made a mistake (as I often do).

Prior to the release of the email, Snowden claimed that in emails to NSA lawyers, he was "raising concerns about the NSA’s interpretations of its legal authorities.” According to Snowden, one specific concern was that some high officials in the NSA believed that classified executive orders could override federal law. In the email the NSA released, Snowden asked NSA lawyers about this very issue. Specifically, he asked about training materials which seemed to him to contradict the principle that federal law overrides executive orders. Someone from the NSA’s Office of General Council responded that executive orders do not override federal law, which makes it look like Snowden’s concern was satisfied.

But Snowden also claims that he expressed his concern about the NSA’s understanding of its legal authorities in correspondence “with the Signals Intelligence Directorate’s Office of Compliance, which believed that a classified executive order could take precedence over an act of Congress . . .” We are not in a position to know if that claim is true. Hopefully, the NSA will release more emails (assuming they exist), but I doubt the NSA would want the public to know that some high NSA official believed that executive orders could override federal law and that Snowden questioned that belief. So we end up in a strange situation. If Snowden is lying, there are no additional emails to release, but we have no way of knowing that there are none. And if Snowden is telling the truth, then the NSA probably won’t release the emails that would vindicate him. Either way, we may well end up being left in the dark.

Personally, I doubt that Snowden is lying about corresponding with the Signals Directorate’s Office of Compliance about this issue. But I am not in a position to know for sure.

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Has there been any discussion about Control-Z Jun 2014 #1
Quite a bit but not a very intelligent discussion. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #2
Does he have them, do you know? Control-Z Jun 2014 #5
I don't think he has ever had them. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #7
There are those of us who simply do not find it credible that in his stealing, he msanthrope Jun 2014 #13
That is a good summary. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #3
You might well be correct. Vattel Jun 2014 #6
Exactly! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #8
If he wasn't originally planning to seek asylum Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #10
Based on his 1st interview when he revealed his identity, Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #15
I'd loved to have overheard that conversation Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #19
He was not "bound for Moscow". Moscow was a layover to elsewhere... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #25
sounds likely to me. grasswire Jun 2014 #4
Kick. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #9
The NSA might release more emails if they have them Leme Jun 2014 #11
if they don't know what documents he took... grasswire Jun 2014 #12
we know it is somewhere, if sent by internet Leme Jun 2014 #17
No. That's not a good summary. Where in your timeline did ES meet with GG and then steal msanthrope Jun 2014 #14
I am not trying to summarize the whole Snowden saga. Vattel Jun 2014 #21
No. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #23
What did I say that is false? Vattel Jun 2014 #24
Now you are moving the goalposts...in your OP, you use the word "mistaken." Now you are msanthrope Jun 2014 #26
Okay, what did I say in my OP that is mistaken? Vattel Jun 2014 #27
You are mistaken in presuming that Snowden is telling you the truth in "why" msanthrope Jun 2014 #29
I'm not finding the part where I made such a claim. Vattel Jun 2014 #30
Every single time you wrote "Snowden claims." Thus, you focus not on facts msanthrope Jun 2014 #32
I didn't say that his claims are true. Vattel Jun 2014 #37
Again--you focus on claims, not on facts. Why not list facts? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #38
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are joking. Vattel Jun 2014 #39
The NSA will release the emails in a timely fashion. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16
they can't discredit him now grasswire Jun 2014 #18
There has been no conversation or reform. joshcryer Jun 2014 #20
ridiculous. grasswire Jun 2014 #35
It's a pointless diversion, no one is serious. joshcryer Jun 2014 #36
Whether top NSA officials believed Vattel Jun 2014 #22
The implication is that the NSA put EO above law. joshcryer Jun 2014 #33
Consider this: truedelphi Jun 2014 #28
That individual is Marcy Wheeler and yes, she is doing great work on Snowden and the NSA. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #34
I think Snowden gave his copies of correspondence to Sasquatch... randome Jun 2014 #31
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