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Uncle Joe

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20. The question becomes did/does PRISM pose a greater threat to the American People

Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:25 PM

Jun 2014

than the disclosure of spying against other nations.

I'm of the mind that it does, all nations that can, do spy and they know it.

PRISM is nothing but a leading edge to a full blown surveillance state and no democracy can survive for long under those conditions.

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Most Americans Think Snowden Did the Right Thing, Poll Says [View all] Go Vols Jun 2014 OP

MOST people don't know he is a Libertarian who supported George Bush either.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #1

And What Does That Have To Do With The Price Of Tea In China ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #2

it goes to motive Your Honor VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #3

So if he had done the same thing but hsd been a Democrat.... Armstead Jun 2014 #12

stolen govt property? What do you have against laws... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15

I'm all for laws Armstead Jun 2014 #81

OR AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #78

Unsurprisingly, your question goes unanswered. progressoid Jun 2014 #95

but he isnt......perhaps a democrat would have saved the emails VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #114

so if Karl Rove stole those papers, you'd be coolio with that would you? Whisp Jun 2014 #4

Say Wha.. WillyT Jun 2014 #7

You understood it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #9

Hey VR... If You Have That Kind Of Mind Reading Ability... You Should Take It On The Road... WillyT Jun 2014 #79

i am not the one reading minds VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #115

Read back what Vanilla posted up a few from here. Whisp Jun 2014 #13

We know that if Rove was the stealer, and he ran to Russia Whisp Jun 2014 #77

Classic dodge treestar Jun 2014 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8

You are pointing out something very important with your question. I would respect rhett o rick Jun 2014 #121

FOX News Hates Snowden and GG billhicks76 Jun 2014 #36

how big a star is Rand Paul on that network? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #116

absolutely nothing stupidicus Jun 2014 #72

Except for that fact that he gets caught lying over and over again! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #124

like with the frequency and egregiousness of this guy? stupidicus Jun 2014 #158

this reads both sexist and racist to me VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #159

thanks for conceding the validity of my observations and accomapnying remarks stupidicus Jun 2014 #164

"impotence"? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #168

even though your continual tacit concessions where neither solicited nor warranted stupidicus Jun 2014 #169

I have no earthly idea what you are talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #170

thanks for conceding/admitting stupidicus Jun 2014 #171

Holy Hell! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #172

Conceding what? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #175

You aren't reading your own posts? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #181

besides...I do NOT think that the racism and sexism were false at all VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #176

and yet it remains a baseless, fact-free, and unarticulated stupidicus Jun 2014 #178

Yes it most certainly could reasonably judged that way..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #179

thanks for highlighting the problem stupidicus Jun 2014 #180

Link? scarletwoman Jun 2014 #6

How long have you been on DU? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #26

Since 2001. Which you could have easily found out for yourself by looking at my profile. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #31

it was a rhetorical question.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Not really, it was an avoidance tactic. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #40

Not at all....just bored with producing the same information over and over for people who refuse VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #41

An opinion piece, written by somebody named Andrew Leonard. I have no idea who that is, scarletwoman Jun 2014 #66

How about words right out of his own mouth... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #147

Thank you for the link. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #165

of course you do.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #167

Everyone knows that's a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #24

Only if like you I were to ignore the facts... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #27

You have not presented any facts. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #52

Non sequitur... Fearless Jun 2014 #93

then please explain HOW this is non sequitur.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #96

His political affiliation has nothing to do with Fearless Jun 2014 #100

you may not give a crap......but I do VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #101

Again a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #117

how so its an apt analogy VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #119

It is a non sequitur Fearless Jun 2014 #143

its called analogy for a reason... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #145

It is a comparison of unrelated topics. Fearless Jun 2014 #160

in your opinion but most certainly not mine VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #161

What does that even mean?! Fearless Jun 2014 #166

He was a standard republican billhicks76 Jun 2014 #28

Stop lying, please. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #34

Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #35

Stop lying, please. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #44

How about Rand and Ron VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #146

"Ron Paul holds some views that are wrong, irrational and even odious." MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #148

but.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #155

But what? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #157

Repost: ProSense Jun 2014 #64

By ProSense Jun 2014 #69

Its not about Snowden its about our... Rockyj Jun 2014 #113

Congrats at getting the number one response. Best for hijacking. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #122

Most people don't CARE. What has that got to do with these serious issues? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #130

Message versus messenger -- most Americans CAN tell the difference KurtNYC Jun 2014 #149

A lot of libertarians initially supported him in 2000 Reter Jun 2014 #156

So... If A "Libertarian" Is Right Once In A While... We're Required To Ingnore It ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #5

So when is stealing from the govt "Right"? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #11

When the government is illegally spying on you AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #16

are they? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #17

Here Go Again billhicks76 Jun 2014 #32

can you prove that? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #38

But billhicks76 Jun 2014 #42

Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #45

Prove What? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #47

what you just said about DU....prove it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #49

I Said Most Democrats billhicks76 Jun 2014 #53

But Of Course I Think Here Too billhicks76 Jun 2014 #56

No you said "people here" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #57

It's Just Obvious To Me billhicks76 Jun 2014 #65

Chill StoneCarver Jun 2014 #37

Not defensive at all....I tell the truth and they call it "defensive" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #39

When You Vocally Support billhicks76 Jun 2014 #46

When you stop vocally repeating that lack of support for Snowden means support of the NSA! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #48

Don't hold your breath! BillZBubb Jun 2014 #55

I Know Right? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #61

The Government... Has Been Stealing From Us For The Last 35 -40 Years... WillyT Jun 2014 #51

if you lack critical thinking skills, yes Skittles Jun 2014 #68

Or if you are willfully ignorant, yes. morningfog Jun 2014 #84

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #10

Recommended. Thanks for the post Autumn Jun 2014 #14

That title misstates the poll results. The fact that most people believe Snowden pnwmom Jun 2014 #18

The question becomes did/does PRISM pose a greater threat to the American People Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #20

That's not the issue. Snowden could have and should have released the information pnwmom Jun 2014 #21

They're inextricably tied together, this is all PRISM. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #22

He never had to release specific details about the information we obtained pnwmom Jun 2014 #82

It doesn't take a great leap of imagination from knowing about PRISM, that we would Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #85

It was the specifics that they released that wouldn't have been known, not the fact pnwmom Jun 2014 #86

By its' very nature PRISM was international, it wasn't just in the U.S. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #90

Why do you keep obscuring the point? The fact that we spy on other countries isn't news. pnwmom Jun 2014 #92

What specifics? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #99

Don't play dumb. pnwmom Jun 2014 #102

MYSTIC Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #106

A few months ago the spin was that PRISM was merely a benign way the NSA transfers files Chathamization Jun 2014 #70

Yes. Seriously. Just because a cloud storage company says differently... randome Jun 2014 #177

Where in the article is the conclusion "everything he did was okay" listed that you reference? LanternWaste Jun 2014 #103

I was talking about the subject line of the OP's Post, "Most Americans think .. . " pnwmom Jun 2014 #105

Only 29% now believe he was wrong. pa28 Jun 2014 #19

I think you've confused this survey with an actual scientific poll. What reputable pollster only... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #107

Not to mention, in the PEW poll, there is a very strong correlation with age karynnj Jun 2014 #110

Precisely. The headline of the o.p. is quite misleading. Thanks to Pro for sourcing the pollster. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #111

He has through his avenues released information which harms not only the USA but UK and probably Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #23

can you add any specifics? frylock Jun 2014 #74

Duh. Most people aren't the ruling class or members of its court. nt valerief Jun 2014 #25

"according to a survey commissioned by cloud storage service Tresorit"? ProSense Jun 2014 #29

(insert deflective irrelevancy here...) LanternWaste Jun 2014 #104

Wait a minute Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #30

It was ProSense Jun 2014 #43

Perhaps Start A Pro-NSA Site billhicks76 Jun 2014 #50

Why? You want this one to be a Pro-Greenwald/Snowden site? ProSense Jun 2014 #54

It should be. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #59

No, it shouldn't n/t ProSense Jun 2014 #62

Then feel free to start Libertarian Underground. This one is STILL partisan. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #112

I'm going to rec this now Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #58

I have no problem with Snowden exposing the extent of the NSA's spying. Eko Jun 2014 #60

He didn't take any secrets with him to Russia. Maedhros Jun 2014 #94

Really? Eko Jun 2014 #118

And you know that he did? Maedhros Jun 2014 #120

Unfounded assumption huh, Eko Jun 2014 #125

Like I said - throwing mud. Maedhros Jun 2014 #127

Yeah yeah yeah, Eko Jun 2014 #128

A huge percentage were in favor of the Iraq war at first. Polls do not validate an action. stevenleser Jun 2014 #63

what did polls say about the Iraq war a year in? frylock Jun 2014 #75

I'm sure whatever the polls said, they weren't startup tech co's, polling only "employed"... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #88

Indeed...and we are almost a "Year" In from Snowden's first revelations... KoKo Jun 2014 #152

If Heroes Come In The Form Of Snowden gussmith Jun 2014 #67

"Employed Americans"? What? They can't be bothered to poll the jobless? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #71

Interesting. Thanks for posting. Number23 Jun 2014 #73

It was a ProSense Jun 2014 #76

So you're saying it's a crap poll? And why are they polling just "employed" Americans? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #80

It's a ProSense Jun 2014 #83

Pro, what the hell would we do without you? No wonder I never heard of it. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #87

While I appreciate all the support...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #89

Allow me to say... Savannahmann Jun 2014 #91

K&R! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #97

As do I. Snowden is a true patriot antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #108

Probably because he did do the right thing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #109

It's very interesting who here doesnt think he did the correct thing. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #123

Thats totally ridiculous. Eko Jun 2014 #126

All I ask is that you keep some prospective.You dont know that Snowden gave the Russians our secrets rhett o rick Jun 2014 #129

Very true, Eko Jun 2014 #131

But we must investigate the NSA to be sure they are acting in our best interest. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #132

No arguments there Eko Jun 2014 #133

Ha-ha!!! Look at the authority-sniffers break their arm reaching to spin this. U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #134

I dont think the people who are criticizing snowden are "authority-sniffers" here. Eko Jun 2014 #135

A little defensive, eh? Too close to home? U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #136

More Eko Jun 2014 #137

Not really interested in you or what you think. U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #139

No, Eko Jun 2014 #140

Yawn to nobody U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #141

Run away!!!!! Eko Jun 2014 #142

Please More Exclamation Marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #173

By the way, Eko Jun 2014 #138

Since when was it progressive Eko Jun 2014 #144

Sound and fury signifying nothing HangOnKids Jun 2014 #174

And you prove my point. Eko Jun 2014 #182

Wow, took you no time at all to call someone a right winger Rex Jun 2014 #184

Just last week on national news it was reported the majority of people think he's a traitor! B Calm Jun 2014 #150

which "national news" poll was it... Link would be helpful.. n/t KoKo Jun 2014 #153

This was reported on all 3 ABC, NBC and CBS. B Calm Jun 2014 #154

I have it on good authority from the RW Fifth Column on DU baldguy Jun 2014 #151

Hey, if I want to find out what most Americans really think, I'll ask the NSA. n/t hughee99 Jun 2014 #162

Why not, according to tea baggers it's the only government agency that listens to us. B Calm Jun 2014 #183

As they should. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #163