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51. Great points, Andy. n/t

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I was never crazy about Greenwald, and don't care for Snowden. But some of you make me a fanboy [View all] Armstead Jun 2014 OP

So ProSense Jun 2014 #1

Yep..You also missed when i said.... Armstead Jun 2014 #3

Actually, ProSense Jun 2014 #4

I don't care about "getting in good" with anyone here Armstead Jun 2014 #11

LOL! ProSense Jun 2014 #36

Pink fluffy bunnies Armstead Jun 2014 #38

I like your style. Demit Jun 2014 #90

LOL! ProSense Jun 2014 #107

Innumerate Android3.14 Jun 2014 #157

:) AllyCat Jun 2014 #101

I don't know if you were setting a trap with your OP but if you were A Simple Game Jun 2014 #200

Good concise analysis. The 'bots will still try to counter... erronis Jun 2014 #233

I think you actually are smart enough to understand, G_j Jun 2014 #115

LOL! ProSense Jun 2014 #116

is that all you got? G_j Jun 2014 #117

Well, ProSense Jun 2014 #119

the OP did not do that G_j Jun 2014 #120

You didn't endorse the sockpuppet theory? ProSense Jun 2014 #122

where? G_j Jun 2014 #127

I agree with this.... Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #158

You really don't understand, I thought you were just being facetious. You didn't wonder why the more sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #133

You all ProSense Jun 2014 #134

You all? I have never personally attacked people critical of Greenwald or Snowden. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #136

Hear Hear! Generic Other Jun 2014 #174

Your comment ProSense Jun 2014 #178

Criticism, or gossip column inches? LanternWaste Jun 2014 #163

No One Is Perfect billhicks76 Jun 2014 #45

I haven't seen any/many NSA defenders here on DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #70

Are a You Kidding? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #81

No, I'm not kidding ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #99

yep... this Leme Jun 2014 #77

John Dillinger did shine a light on how much money banks had.... George II Jun 2014 #103

Don't you think that Snowden/Greenwald could have raised the issue without karynnj Jun 2014 #185

You may be right -- The problem is.... Armstead Jun 2014 #187

Personalized on both sides karynnj Jun 2014 #189

In other words, you were referring to her. lark Jun 2014 #205

In other words... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #2

Yeah...exactly Armstead Jun 2014 #7

I have noticed that it's a pretty sure shot that Whisp Jun 2014 #10

Thats a wonderful generalization Armstead Jun 2014 #12

It goes a little deeper than that but I'm not in a school marm mood. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #14

Goes much deeper than that, but no need to go round the block on it here Armstead Jun 2014 #44

I have noticed that also Andy823 Jun 2014 #15

Let me make this simple... Armstead Jun 2014 #31

Would you share your opinions of the President here? sheshe2 Jun 2014 #102

I've shared my opinions of him many times (too many for some probably) Armstead Jun 2014 #105

I did not bite my nails at all on either election night. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #113

Oh puleeze Armstead Jun 2014 #126

well said marions ghost Jun 2014 #155

.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #211

+1. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2014 #224

People like you paint ANY criticism as an attack. alarimer Jun 2014 #108

People like me!? sheshe2 Jun 2014 #128

It could be people like you. Some Democrats surely are authoritarian. ozone_man Jun 2014 #217

Good post, and it WAS a 'whole different story' when the spying was exposed when Bush occupied the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #188

Great points, Andy. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #51

FOX Support NSA Most billhicks76 Jun 2014 #53

Total Bunk billhicks76 Jun 2014 #50

could you say that again, I wasn't paying attention. Whisp Jun 2014 #54

I support all liberal causes...NSA/CIA ain't one of them billhicks76 Jun 2014 #58

That is pure BS and an insult to fellow members of DU Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #141

Is it an insult to fellow members of DU to refer to them as paid government shills? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #143

I recced that as an interesting discussion Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #145

This is a double standard on your part Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #146

No. Really. It isn't. Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #147

Well I don't really keep track of recs, but I've seen your posts in the past and I assumed you rec'd Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #148

I won't waste any more time. I am glad you aren't keeping a list of who recs what Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #151

I have very little doubt that some who post here are paid, either merrily Jun 2014 #220

Would that include Andy823 Jun 2014 #228

Who do you think would pay the "left of the left" to post? merrily Jun 2014 #230

Amazing Andy823 Jun 2014 #234

Well I did answer, but I will spell it out for you again. merrily Jun 2014 #236

I get it quakerboy Jun 2014 #61

That's generally the end result of campaigns against people that are so nasty and mean spirited, sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #18

Not surprised...just disappointed to see it on DU Armstead Jun 2014 #24

I know, I completely understand your point. My comment was directed to Cali Dem though, trying to sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #34

No prob Armstead Jun 2014 #46

+1. When they launch into a litany of "traitor, narcissist, comrade Eddie, punk etc" I just turn off riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #35

The use of the McCarthy era vitriol which was specifically aimed at the Left, removes all sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

All conservatives aim their vitriol at the left. merrily Jun 2014 #221

In 2007-08, I defended Obama on another board vigorously and continually. The board owner was merrily Jun 2014 #226

Absolutely correct. 840high Jun 2014 #83

Amazing isn't it! We Have the Power! Cha Jun 2014 #162

Kicked. Recommended. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2014 #5

Ikr? I used to argue with my friend about Greenwald. Vattel Jun 2014 #6

That's always a solid way to decide what one stands for. Whisp Jun 2014 #8

Not deciding what I stand for Armstead Jun 2014 #13

I read it that the poster was standing AGAINST something. Mean spirited, personal attacks are never sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #22

A good rule of thumb... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #9

+1 nashville_brook Jun 2014 #17

I highly doubt that! nt Andy823 Jun 2014 #19

Are you talking about DUers who have blue link specials on DUers being gov't spies? Whisp Jun 2014 #21

Spot on Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #33

Did you say ProSense Jun 2014 #41

The difference is that propaganda is based in loyalty, not policies and principles. woo me with science Jun 2014 #68

Seriously, ProSense Jun 2014 #73

I would have said that the difference is... winter is coming Jun 2014 #79

That's simpler. woo me with science Jun 2014 #82

.... 840high Jun 2014 #87

My Blue Links can beat up your Blue Links! Whisp Jun 2014 #129

Whoa... BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #149

People do not seem to realise Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #154

+1 woo me with science Jun 2014 #193

+1 a whole fucking bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #170

Whoa. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #182

+1000 HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #184

Wow...thankyou for doing all that work LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #190

Nailed it LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #196

i would of liked the 2006 pro questionseverything Jun 2014 #203

Yeah some of us saw through that at the very beginning of the blue links facade. Rex Jun 2014 #216

I bothered to try to follow the links a few times. merrily Jun 2014 #222

With more than 116,000 posts, I presumed you chose to decline closeupready Jun 2014 #191

...^ that 840high Jun 2014 #85

the White House can easily choose not to own this, by fixing it nashville_brook Jun 2014 #16

I agree. I don't need to like the guys to be disgusted that my government is spying on me. Squinch Jun 2014 #20

Exactamundo Armstead Jun 2014 #23

I thought the thread earlier about Squinch Jun 2014 #26

+ 1000. THAT was enlightening... nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #37

I'm right there with you, Squinch Aerows Jun 2014 #69

+1 nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #125

K&R! Well said! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #40

Bingo. The more anyone makes it about Snowden and Greenwald, the less it becomes about the actions merrily Jun 2014 #223

I share your disgust psiman Jun 2014 #25

The two factions to which you refer Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #43

Bingo Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #49

+10000 billhicks76 Jun 2014 #55

I don't know left from right anymore Armstead Jun 2014 #56

There were Fourth Amendment demonstrations, esp. on July 4 of last year. merrily Jun 2014 #229

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #27

Well said malaise Jun 2014 #28

You must be a paid shill mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #29

He could be a racist Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #32

Oh. Is that the new Meme!? fascisthunter Jun 2014 #144

Comrade Eddie thanks you Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #30

Exactly.K&R nt snappyturtle Jun 2014 #39

K&R! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #42

"I am not here to hide from justice." randome Jun 2014 #47

Do you believe there should be limits on how intrusive government spying is? Armstead Jun 2014 #52

Many ProSense Jun 2014 #60

I agree with Sanders and mostly Carter Armstead Jun 2014 #65

Of course there should be limits. And there are. randome Jun 2014 #63

That is a reasonable response Armstead Jun 2014 #66

Cheers! randome Jun 2014 #71

But the tone of the response to your question Aerows Jun 2014 #76

So don't do any spying because it's possible you might inadvertently see an American? randome Jun 2014 #84

Well isn't that a fascinating take on things! Aerows Jun 2014 #86

We're talking about the NSA monitoring foreign suspects, not American citizens. randome Jun 2014 #94

Apparently they don't 'monitor foreign suspects'. If they did they might have prevented the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #138

+1 Tommymac Jun 2014 #208

The "Foreign" Surveillance Is Snoop-Laundering smb Jun 2014 #195

Exactly right, this point is ever ignored (even by folks on the side of our most basic rights) TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #237

Is it really? merrily Jun 2014 #231

The FISA Court Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #75

I had that slightly askew. randome Jun 2014 #80

I see at least two major problems with the FISA Court as my post above states. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #92

Reform the hell out of it. Too bad Snowden had nothing to say about this until recently. randome Jun 2014 #96

PRISM, FISA Court it's all part of the same too secret for the public, Big Brother all knowing Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #106

Slightly? merrily Jun 2014 #232

Are you saying that the FISA courts were created during the Bush Adminstration? merrily Jun 2014 #225

That's not the question. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #95

Well, O.K., whatever. Deep. n/t UTUSN Jun 2014 #57

About as deep as the rest of it Armstead Jun 2014 #59

Profoundly deep. nm Cha Jun 2014 #165

Thanks, I appreciate your post. I actually *was* a fan of Greenwald, way back in the day. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #62

"I cannot help but find their motives spurious." navarth Jun 2014 #111

Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #171

you echo me completely Skittles Jun 2014 #64

congrats to you JI7 Jun 2014 #67

I was on the jury of an alert to another post that objected to the valerief Jun 2014 #72

Good lord Egnever Jun 2014 #91

Nah, just infected with trolls. nt valerief Jun 2014 #93

I've always assumed it was referring to Sci Fi nerds or other hero worshipers Armstead Jun 2014 #97

Right. Being a fanboy of most things is just fine anyway. The Sports industry valerief Jun 2014 #98

Basically my story, too MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #74

You can tell a man's Aerows Jun 2014 #78

That's basically how I feel too. JoeyT Jun 2014 #88

k/r 840high Jun 2014 #89

Very interesting post. That's partly how I got to where I am, I think. woo me with science Jun 2014 #100

It's The Boomerang Effect... The Person That Throws It... Doesn't Get Why Their Head Hurts... WillyT Jun 2014 #104

Here's more narrow view on what Democrats like me read... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #109

a start would be ending the anonymity of alerters and juries. grasswire Jun 2014 #121

Okay, how do we weigh in on that excellent suggestion? MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #124

I suppose the question could be asked in the Ask the Administrator thread. grasswire Jun 2014 #132

Okay... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #135

So, this is what Skinner said... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #204

odd that the Transparency is a "punishment" meted out to posters when they are 'bad' bobduca Jun 2014 #176

Its that tag team jury effect. nilesobek Jun 2014 #194

that is a damn shame grasswire Jun 2014 #198

It comes from the same ones who take criticisms of the President personally. morningfog Jun 2014 #110

The really hilarious thing about the anti-Greenwald, anti-Snowden crowd? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #112

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #114

Do you mean ProSense Jun 2014 #118

Done in 2005 and no one gave data to the Chinese either uponit7771 Jun 2014 #131

They'd be cheering because, like their objection to the Iraq War, Maedhros Jun 2014 #140

Yeah, you go with that....in retrospect. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #123

A long time ago, when Bill Clinton was president... grasswire Jun 2014 #130

word G_j Jun 2014 #137

+++ marions ghost Jun 2014 #156

+1. navarth Jun 2014 #177

Amen. It's politics as a team sport, not as doing what's best for the country. beerandjesus Jun 2014 #180

Bravo. Another poster referred to the swarm... Tommymac Jun 2014 #210

Yup. progressoid Jun 2014 #139

You Know What, F*ck Them! fascisthunter Jun 2014 #142

Totally agree. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #150

Me too Aerows Jun 2014 #207

+1000 Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #212

Weak hands always bluff and bluster..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #152

People find a lot of excuses for not supporting the Obama administration ucrdem Jun 2014 #153

Yes, I'm very angry about Benghazi and the IRS....This is just the same as those NOT Armstead Jun 2014 #159

Latching onto half-baked outrages like NSA-gate is no different. ucrdem Jun 2014 #183

I don't think it's half baked Armstead Jun 2014 #186

Just because you don't see a problem SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #197

I see plenty of problems, just not the ones being splashed around. ucrdem Jun 2014 #202

We are all responsible for our own feelings. riqster Jun 2014 #160

Apparently not the OP. nm Cha Jun 2014 #166

Yep. Who knew we had such power over others, eh? riqster Jun 2014 #175

"You are either with us or against us" davidpdx Jun 2014 #161

I think you've miscategorized some of that Armstead Jun 2014 #164

I'm just pointing out that you can dislike them as a person & still disagree w/ surveillance policy davidpdx Jun 2014 #168

I agree with that -- It's the nature of that I have a problem with Armstead Jun 2014 #169

You need to watch what you say, watch what you do Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #167

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #172

Yep. Sounds about right. The_Commonist Jun 2014 #173

I agree with you and am glad Snowden did what he did LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #192

I think that's an excellent question! The_Commonist Jun 2014 #209

Sounds like right about where I am. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #179

But, you don't understand. Ellsberg (Pentagon Papers) has respect here because LiberalArkie Jun 2014 #181

Right on the money Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #199

That pretty much describes me as well abelenkpe Jun 2014 #201

That's about how I feel as well, but I'd add that the homphobia laced attacks on Greenwald Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #206

Question authority. obxhead Jun 2014 #213

Armstead, makes you wonder when a long time DU poster saidsimplesimon Jun 2014 #214

Same here. I wouldn't trust Snowden with a blank flashdrive. Rex Jun 2014 #215

Interestingly, the opposite obtains for me frazzled Jun 2014 #218

Different strokes for different folks Armstead Jun 2014 #219

51!!! Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #227

Twisted itsrobert Jun 2014 #235