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In reply to the discussion: Are you a Socialist? [View all]

muriel_volestrangler

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2. In the absence of another definition, here's an encyclopedia article:
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:27 AM
Jun 2014
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.

This conviction puts socialism in opposition to capitalism, which is based on private ownership of the means of production and allows individual choices in a free market to determine how goods and services are distributed. Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor. As a result, terms such as individual freedom and equality of opportunity may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive. As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made this point in Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848) when they proclaimed that in a socialist society “the condition for the free development of each is the free development of all.”

This fundamental conviction nevertheless leaves room for socialists to disagree among themselves with regard to two key points. The first concerns the extent and the kind of property that society should own or control. Some socialists have thought that almost everything except personal items such as clothing should be public property; this is true, for example, of the society envisioned by the English humanist Sir Thomas More in his Utopia (1516). Other socialists, however, have been willing to accept or even welcome private ownership of farms, shops, and other small or medium-sized businesses.

The second disagreement concerns the way in which society is to exercise its control of property and other resources. In this case the main camps consist of loosely defined groups of centralists and decentralists. On the centralist side are socialists who want to invest public control of property in some central authority, such as the state—or the state under the guidance of a political party, as was the case in the Soviet Union. Those in the decentralist camp believe that decisions about the use of public property and resources should be made at the local, or lowest-possible, level by the people who will be most directly affected by those decisions. This conflict has persisted throughout the history of socialism as a political movement.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551569/socialism

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Are you a Socialist? [View all] Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 OP
A working definition would help. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #1
In the absence of another definition, here's an encyclopedia article: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #2
No, I am not a Socialist. dawg Jun 2014 #3
Democratic socialism is also a form of socialism, a blend of regulated capitalism and tblue37 Jun 2014 #26
Libertarian Communist - TBF Jun 2014 #4
Lemme check... yep, my library card is in my wallet. Scuba Jun 2014 #5
I believe I am a commonist HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #6
well the rethugs say obama is a socialist--and i know i am left of him...... dembotoz Jun 2014 #7
same here TeamPooka Jun 2014 #28
We're all socialists to one degree or another, even conservatives Armstead Jun 2014 #8
I think the question is, which of the two do you prefer. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #11
Balance Armstead Jun 2014 #12
Absolutely not. On economic policy I mostly agree with President Obama (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #9
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #34
Except for that pesky Citizens United thing... Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #44
I said "economic policy". Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #46
You don't think allowing corporations to buy elections has anything to do with that? Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #47
On issues where Obama disagrees with the ACLU, Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #48
And by coincidence, repugs Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #53
Not a big fan of the ACLU, are you? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #54
I am not a big fan of corporate ownership of our govt Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #55
Not now nor will I ever be. eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #10
It's sad that we have let the right malign the word so much Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #13
The user name says it all...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #14
I pass because the term is too vague rock Jun 2014 #15
Not sure Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #16
kik Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #17
Yes. (nt) stone space Jun 2014 #18
Yeh. Zorra Jun 2014 #19
IN other words, do you consider yourselves a socialist? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #20
another kick Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #21
We are all socialists. Good thing, too. baldguy Jun 2014 #22
f0r more results Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #23
again Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #24
Socialism Can Be A Relative Term Dirty Socialist Jun 2014 #25
Proudly! [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #27
yes I am. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #29
Yep. Still Blue in PDX Jun 2014 #30
Some fool at discussionist posted this thread as an example of DU being a "cesspool" quinnox Jun 2014 #31
well yes, Both Mao and Tony Blair called themselves Socialist - so obviously different people mean Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #32
Socialism is such a broad topic that it's hard to nail down. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #49
In the Europaean sense, yes LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #33
I am poor, I am not a socialist. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #35
Yes. hunter Jun 2014 #36
Yup. One of them there European-kind ones. KamaAina Jun 2014 #37
Social Democrats are not socialists, so no DFW Jun 2014 #38
I favor a much heavier portion of socialism in our mixed economy than we have now for sure. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #39
k Douglas Carpenter Jun 2014 #40
In that I reject private property, yes. joshcryer Jun 2014 #41
I pass. I very much dislike labels. scarletwoman Jun 2014 #42
By todays standards... Easily... Ohio Joe Jun 2014 #43
Is the Pope a, yortsed snacilbuper Jun 2014 #45
I'm a Social Democrat in the vein of German politics. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #50
Me too. NT Adrahil Jun 2014 #56
I don't know what I am...I do know yuiyoshida Jun 2014 #51
Is socialism the opposite of capitalism? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #52
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