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carolinayellowdog

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Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:45 AM Jun 2014

authoritarian, libertarian, right, left-- what quadrant of the Political Compass are you in? [View all]



One of the downward trends in DU lately has been the widespread abuse of the terms authoritarian and libertarian. These are both terms with long and honorable histories in published literature, referring to attitudes and policies about the legitimacy of government control of individual behavior. Google ngram allows one to search published literature for appearance of various terms and to compare their frequency over time. This ngram shows the use in books of “authoritarian,” “libertarian,” and the far less common use of “hard left” and “Libertarian” from 1908 through 2008 (the cutoff point for the database.)

Despite their long history in scholarly writing, both terms have been abused here as content-free epithets, even to the ridiculous point of alerts and hides for using the term “authoritarian” in a perfectly legitimate context. But IMO the more serious and systemic problem is the confusion about the term “libertarian.” Although it was hijacked by a rightwing extremist US political party a few decades ago, most Democratic voters support positions that are on the libertarian rather than the authoritarian end of the scale developed by the creators of The Political Compass. And no one outside the US is idiotic enough to use “libertarian” as synonymous with “Libertarian” thereby turning the vast majority of progressive voters worldwide into disciples of the worst novelist in history. (Worst both ethically and esthetically IMO.) The “liberty” championed by Ayn Rand and Rand Paul is that of the extreme right of the Political Compass.

The questionnaire here results in a score that places one in a quadrant that is either libertarian or authoritarian on the Y-axis and left or right in the economic sense on the X-axis. My own result is far down in the left-libertarian quadrant, as you can see here. I would not be surprised if 80% of active DUers, including those who abuse the term “libertarian” as if synonymous with a crank rightwing third party, are in fact left-libertarian in their views.



Take the test for yourself—maybe I’m mistaken. But it seems to me that a tremendous amount of poo is being flung based on semi-deliberate abuse of two words that must be restored to their proper meaning if we are to have a reasonable discussion of the major issues of the day.
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I've taken that test a few times over the years. The_Commonist Jun 2014 #1
I've also done it a few times, always in the green tularetom Jun 2014 #2
What is called "libertarian" here could be better classified as respect for basic human rights. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #9
Yeah, I'm always near -7 & -7. "Libertarian" is a slur in DU... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #19
Thanks to Ron Paul and his calf head son, Libertarian, with the big L, is taking a beating. Whisp Jun 2014 #20
I still like the terms "civil libertarian" and "economic progressive," Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #22
I agree with your overall point that the terms authoritarian and libertarian are overused on DU stevenleser Jun 2014 #3
Not sure why you believe this test gives an accurate or meaningful result. winter is coming Jun 2014 #4
"probably still skews that way" is an unjustified assumption of yours muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #5
Whoosh. winter is coming Jun 2014 #7
I never said there was anything 'off-base' about putting them upper-right muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #15
You're right. I should have dug a little deeper before commenting. winter is coming Jun 2014 #18
Do you really think Obama took this test or the pope Johonny Jun 2014 #36
developed by a leftist British social historian and political journalist carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #11
I don't think so LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #12
I do wish they had defined the terms instead of merely using them. winter is coming Jun 2014 #14
I was a political compass quiz virgin... DreamGypsy Jun 2014 #8
Good point about "strongly" term. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #21
In the UK, 'libertarian' used to mean civil libertarian, and economic libertarianism was called LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #10
It's the same in the US. What we have here is an intersection of ignorance and duplicity. Romulox Jun 2014 #31
Economic -7.5; Social -6.82 LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #13
The simple problem my friend is this Savannahmann Jun 2014 #16
all good points, thanks, perhaps "authoritarian" implies more consistency than is appropriate carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #28
A little to the left & a touch more "libertarian" than Gandhi... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #17
That's a fascinating ngram. woo me with science Jun 2014 #23
thanks, inspired by your previous posts about "authoritarian" as a term carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #24
Ah yes, the Nolan chart, again. ucrdem Jun 2014 #25
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #26
Lefty me damnedifIknow Jun 2014 #27
Hrm. have I changed? I moved further left? Xyzse Jun 2014 #29
Same place as always MicaelS Jun 2014 #30
Left Libertarian hack89 Jun 2014 #32
So many DUers tend toward that top right quadrant. Can't we just ban the word "authoritarian"? nt Romulox Jun 2014 #33
Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.97 frylock Jun 2014 #34
Everytime I take it, I end up somewhere between -9.50 and -10.00 on both axes. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #35
About what I expected opiate69 Jun 2014 #37
Libertarian in the U.S. is RIGHT-WING kfreed Aug 2014 #38
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