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Waiting For Everyman

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7. It's the end result of ad hominem attacks.

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:22 AM

Jun 2014

If someone takes an illogical or let's say indefensible position, then the most popular way of arguing for it is to attack the character of the other person. That goes farther and farther until it becomes what we have now. Instead of discussions, we have character slamming contests.

And this is the internet, which makes that a big waste of time and energy, because we don't even know who we're arguing with... which is why a lot of people don't post much anymore.

As it is with others I've noticed, I mostly don't don't unless I happen to see someone being unduly shoved around for some absurd nonsense. Others have stood up for me too, in those situations, and I appreciate it and think that's how it should be -- at least as long as we have such overbearing people on this site, as some we have now.

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"I don't agree with you on this. Therefore I can't like you or agree with you on that." [View all] Armstead Jun 2014 OP

Excellent point. Our divisions serve the 1%very well. JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #1

Yuppers -- Actully the same goes for the great "left vs. right" steel cage death match Armstead Jun 2014 #2

Amen, brother. JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #3

Yes, the right/left division is encouraged. But I've seen a shift in politics over the past several sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #72

Curious, all that gridlock woo me with science Jun 2014 #73

+1000000 woo me with science Jun 2014 #38

Pretty much. Blue_Adept Jun 2014 #4

Well said. I would like to think that DU'ers agree on 90% of the Democratic agenda - from civil pampango Jun 2014 #5

So true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #31

I somehow dodged a bullet not getting attacked by pro- gun control folks when posting about my bettyellen Jun 2014 #71

i dont play footsies with Libertarians, Anarchists, VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #6

Sometimes you have to. The President knows that. progressoid Jun 2014 #13

what does that have to do with me? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15

Maybe I misunderstood your post. progressoid Jun 2014 #22

I said I dont but i also dont expect candidates to mirror me VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #23

What about DUers? progressoid Jun 2014 #25

why? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #27

Sure. And so are you. progressoid Jun 2014 #39

No I am a loyal Liberal Democrat..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #44

OK, so the President isn't a loyal Liberal Democrat. progressoid Jun 2014 #48

no actually he is a moderate VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #49

"...but thanks for being honest about not being a democrat." Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #74

That's really kind of low, VR. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #76

And there are a whole lot of those on the board Armstead Jun 2014 #14

and they are trolls every one of them VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #16

I've been called a "libertarian" because I object strongly to the TPP Armstead Jun 2014 #19

do you also post in support of GG and Snowden? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #24

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #34

1)Yes 2) depends on the time Armstead Jun 2014 #45

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #46

I also think that web should have single-payer universal healthcare (Medicare for All) Armstead Jun 2014 #65

the web? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #68

we (tired fingers) Armstead Jun 2014 #69

Which is great, JoeyT Jun 2014 #36

that is utter horseshit.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #47

Your counter argument is quite persuasive, however: JoeyT Jun 2014 #51

no he is not.....you are using your own contrived standards VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #54

No, I'm using what's pretty much the standard definition of libertarian. JoeyT Jun 2014 #55

use the dictionary if you want the standard definition.....like i defined anarchists in my sig then VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #56

I'm not sure why it's actually that big a deal. JoeyT Jun 2014 #57

of course you dont......color me not surprised VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #58

*shrug* Not everything is about Obama. JoeyT Jun 2014 #59

wow seriously? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #60

Gandhi (anarchist) better keep his feet away from you. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #33

he was a pacifist. He never claimed to be anti-govt All govt which is what anarchy is VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #61

Your definitition is wrong. And, Gandhi, Tolstoy, and others were Anarchists. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #62

It's the end result of ad hominem attacks. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #7

I go through phases..I generally post more when something is rattling my chaps Armstead Jun 2014 #12

You are so right... BIG K&R! nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #8

It's very easy to not be guilty of that though. stillwaiting Jun 2014 #9

Agreed Armstead Jun 2014 #10

I like most of M. Moore's views, but he's a crap-in-pants hypocrite... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #11

Well in the spirit of the OP I would like to disagree... SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #26

Oh, he should have all the armed security he wants... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #30

How is wanting better gun control laws SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #35

Hypocrite? Yes. Handicap me? No. Moore can't get his way... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #41

Ok, so he is now an elitist... SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #43

In terms of $$$, he isn't? He's not in the 1%? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #50

Sorry, I have to disagree.... daleanime Jun 2014 #29

Well, in fact my congressman did & does support a ban. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #32

How does that affect... daleanime Jun 2014 #37

Don't see the logic to your question. Moore isn't running for office, Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #40

I think I see your 'logic'...... daleanime Jun 2014 #53

virtual tribalism reddread Jun 2014 #17

"No True Scottsman...." Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #18

That's one I've never heard Armstead Jun 2014 #21

11 foot 8 bridge strikes again! snooper2 Jun 2014 #20

GREAT post! ColesCountyDem Jun 2014 #28

There's crankiness even when people basically agree, but one person isn't fierce enough... Silent3 Jun 2014 #42

Guilty of that myself sometimes Armstead Jun 2014 #70

That dynamic draws me into so so many arguments I wanted to avoid Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #75

GET OFF MY LAWN!!! Jamastiene Jun 2014 #52

In my case it's "Get off my parking lot!" Armstead Jun 2014 #64

Now they tell us we must also have ideologically pure bosses as well, or we're shit too riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #63

I can disagree with someone on one issue and agree with them on a slew of others ... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #67